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5 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Please just go back to your Purdue board and leave this for IU fans. We have a first year president, a first year coach so what happened the last 6 years are not on them.

I hate Purdue. 

4 minutes ago, 02Hoosier said:

Please nobody feed this troll with replies ^

You're just mad at the state of the program.

1 hour ago, Seeking6 said:

 

All I know to do is to tell my nephew who turns 7 this summer that Indiana WILL make the tournament sometime before he graduates college.

Big Ten officiating is bad. But Indiana basketball is far worse.

Send an email to the school president while youre at it explaining to her how bad our basketball program is. Like, historically bad over these last six years. Mansplain it if you have to. Forget Dolson. He had his chance and picked the Charlie Brown tree that the other kids laughed at.

Ask her to call Kentucky's leadership and ask them for some help in creating a basketball program that refuses anything less than excellence. 

Let's go! We can do it!

2 hours ago, BGleas said:

Prop 48 was for kids that couldn't meet the NCAA's minimum requirements to be eligible/cleared coming into college. That's different then a school like Norte Dame lowering their entrance requirements to allow a football player admission to the school. 

Notre Dame refuses to lower academic standards. That's one of the reasons why Kelly left. He couldn't get the SEC low academic athletes. 

But they got really good leadership from the top down and rebuilt a great program.

23 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said:

But that has changed. Miles Brand is gone. President McRobbie, whose decisions to downplay sports have certainly hurt us, is gone. 

But you act like Glass and Dolson don't want IU to succeed. They've put an emphasis on getting IU's luster back. It'll happen.

I think they do. They just don't know how in this day and age.

Notre Dame finally got the right guy in Jack Swarbrick. The way the football program now operates is night and day from before. They have played for three national championships since 2012.

And they even got into a bit of trouble with a few kids not writing their own papers. Did they blow up the entire freaking football program? No. They cleaned it up on that part and basically told the NCAA that they would never turn themselves in again and would handle it in house. Mind you, this was when the UNC scandal was going on. 

They were considered dead and irrelevant. They got real. They got serious. This gives me hope that Indiana may one day. 

3 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Lucky for Coach K that you wasn't making coaching decisions at Duke. Look at what his record was after 30 games or even after 4 years.  If he was just starting out today he would have never made it to be the all time wins leader.

I know. Same with Tom Landry. But they weren't 63 either.

4 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

And that all American turns the ball over at the end of games and missed wide open point blank shot that would’ve given us the lead. That all American misses more layups than any all American I’ve ever seen. The coaches can only do so much when kopp goes 1-6 and Stewart goes 2-7 from 3. Stewart was wide open on those 3s and missed. Coaches don’t make shots. You hold the coaches accountable but do you hold players accountable? 

I do but who brought those players in? Bring in guys who can shoot the ball better than I do in the B gym during lunch in high school.

7 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said:

I'm all for fit and character. I've said it on another thread that I believe winners are an absolute necessity in recruiting. Finding players that have won high school/prep championships is a big, if somewhat underrated, factor.

All that said, making a declaration as a program to go after the absolute best of the best players in the country is paramount. We can get those plucky, homegrown kids with ties to the program/state to fill out the back half of our roster, but we need to go after the thoroughbreds.

And I don't mean, just go after in a hopeful way, a la "Gollee, it'd be nice to have so-so."  No, I think IU needs to decide/declare that this is what we are. We are the best and we go after the best.

It's a swagger. A confidence. A decision.

And not just the best players, but the best coaches, compliance and academic support.

From day one, Calipari and UK had everyone on the same page to allow him to do whatever it took to win without blatantly cheating. Their compliance helps them navigate the rules, not play gotcha with them. We could have had him or several other really good coaches.

But indiana doesn't want to do that. They don't want to do what it takes these. You have Universities telling the NCAA and the Freaking FBI to eff off and we are blowing up the program over a phone call. You can't win that way. 

6 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

Why does it matter what the nation thinks of us? Do you care what people think of how you dress or what car you drive? Serious question! Also, it’s literally year one of this coaching staff. Woody hasn’t even gotten a full class of recruits yet. I’m two seasons if we don’t make strides then you have every right to be negative but at least try giving it a chance. Do you live your life negative first and then if things in your life go good then you’re positive? I’m trying to understand your mindset without judging you disrespectfully.

Ok but he has had 30 games now. They are getting worse, not better. How long does it take to build a team that can win at home against Rutgers on senior night? He has an all american for Pete's sake. 

And yes, it does bother me to see my team as a laughing stock. 

23 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Agreed, I was being sarcastic.

The issue very clearly is we don’t have the players. 

We have the talent to make the freaking tourney. We aren't even a top half team in the B1G. 

Listening to The Assembly Call, they are right. The entire framework of the program HAS to change drastically. Three different coaches over six years not making the tourney. That is ridiculous and unacceptable with the resources at their disposal. Indiana should make the tourney EVERY year. It's hard NOT to make the tourney, let alone 6 years straight. 

I'm not trolling, I'm speaking truth. Purdue trolls don't spend hours listening to The Assembly Call and Hoosier Hysterics 

I don't know what you do. It's deeper than the coaches. It's deeper than the players. 

1 hour ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

Serious question. Are you truly an IU fan or are you a troll. If you’re a troll then own it and stop being a keyboard warrior. If you’re truly an IU fan when is the last time you said something positive about this program? Why even like a team If you have unreasonable expectations and the ability to only see negative aspects of said program. You’re truly a frustrating poster.

I am an Indiana fan. I'm just disgusted at the ineptness of our administration, athletic department, coaching staffs and teams over the last 25 years. 

And look at our AD's first season. A major reach of a coaching hire who was probably plan F or G, a putrid football team and a basketball team that is about to miss the tourney for 6 straight years. 

Honestly, you couldn't try to be worse at these two sports than our school has. It's embarrassing what the nation thinks of us.

30 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

You're missing the point.  This guy is a 'shock' reporter.  Dakich without any IU ties.  He has zero credibility.  I will continue to form opinions on my own, and not stoop to basing my opinion on what someone else says.  Keep in mind, the media thought Archie was a GREAT hire, and we saw how that worked out.    

https://saturdaytradition.com/indiana-football/mike-woodson-at-indiana-it-feels-like-a-reach/

https://www.awesemo.com/sideaction/indiana-hoosiers-hire-mike-woodson-and-fans-arent-exactly-thrilled-bjs/

https://theathletic.com/2482917/2021/03/28/indiana-hire-mike-woodson/

https://www.thehoosiernetwork.com/2021/03/28/yeary-like-it-or-not-you-have-to-give-mike-woodson-a-chance/

9 minutes ago, BDB said:

 6 years w/ out an NCAA appearance and 24 years w/out a B1G tournament championship.  How about those #'s for supposed blue-blood.

Yeah it's bad. Real bad. We aren't even mediocre. We are a bad program. 

On 3/2/2022 at 12:10 PM, mrflynn03 said:

Have some faith. Woody has 6-8 years. Dane Fife will take over. He may have born in Michigan(gross)  but will always be a hoosier to me. 

Woody isn't lasting 6-8 years if he's not making tourneys. This year is a no. Next year, yikes.

I think he may have been a place holder hire because Dolson whiffed on everybody else. If not, then I agree with Aaron Torres in that was just an embarrassing. 'we've given up on the program' hire.

22 hours ago, Inequality said:

To be honest I’ve never gave this guy a second of thought. Lately though, and now having an IU guy on the bench I’ve wondered how he currently felt about the programs direction. I have to say, he’s not wrong in some of his latest shows. I can’t help but laugh and for the most part agree with his assessment. If your prone to hurt feelings then either loosen your belt and relax or don’t click the link. To me he’s just being real and not sugar coating but I realize to some he might come off as an absurd lunatic.

 

He's not wrong. I don't know what you do. The program is just dead and isn't coming back any time soon. 

Our last two hires by two different AD's were just brutal. 6 years without going to the tourney. That's just staggering and frankly, almost impossible to do for a B1G team.

5 hours ago, Mike said:

Sad, program in a shambles!Maybe just shut it down completely.

No but the problem may be more the fans/alumni/boosters etc. at this point. The administration has certainly been terrible as well.

However, they are told that they must hire a magical unicorn coach who is as pure as the driven snow, farts glitter, spotless on and off the court AND is as good of an X's and O's coach as Knight in his prime. 

He doesn't exist. Stevens was the closest but the Celtics decided that they wanted to marry him.

Sampson is a great coach. I guess his players go to class now? What is it about indiana that players go there and just stink it up for spotless coaches, and flunk out for coaches who aren't spotless?

25 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said:

"How does Indiana basketball have such shitty players with shitty mentality?"

I'm gonna bite real quick from how I see it. Basically from the late 90s until 2021 we had over two decades of incompetence from the coaching staff and or administrations. When you screw everything up for nearly 20 years it takes a long time to fix. So it doesn't surprise to me that Indiana basketball is where it is. 20+ years is a long time socially and culturally mess up.

Here's the timeline and how I remember it but I might be wrong and will happily admit if I am. 

• Bob Knight in the late 90s abusing players. Proof from video from a practice in 1997. Remember Neil Reed was not scrub. He scored 1400 points for Indiana and you gotta think high recruits aren't gonna want that. 
• Bob Knight having no successor
• Administration not willing to fire Knight before things got real
• Fan base no supporting his removal in 2000 
• No high level coach wanting to go to Indiana until the shadow of Knight was gone 
• Mike Davis's insane run to the 2002 Championship removing any thoughts of replacing him
• Mike Davis saying his dream was to coach in the NBA 
• Hiring Kelvin Sampson 
• Self imposed scholarship loss cause we do things the right way
• No high level coach wanting to waste their prime coaching non-scholarship players for 2 years.
• Hiring of Tom Crean
• Tom Crean recruits Cody Zeller 
• Tom Crean can recruit but horrible in game coach loses with #1 team in the sweet sixteen.
• Tom Crean burning bridges with Indiana AAU and High School coaches causing a loss of high level in state recruits 
• Tom Crean leaving Indiana with no recruits and straight up bad players.
• Hiring Archie Miller
• 2019-20 team would have made tournament but Covid
• Lastly Indiana's athletic department was extremely profitable throughout the last 2 decades. If they're making money who cares if the basketball team is good. They got their money.

Essentially, by the time Indiana decided to act like real basketball university and hire someone decent  20 years had passed. Honestly, the fact we've had the success we've had the last two decades is amazing considering everything that has happened.

Edit: Also, there were many small but significant things that happened during the last two decades create a high volume of problems. Emment Holt getting hit by a car, Mike Davis never receiving any public support from Knight and a bunch of other things I don't want to relive. Anyway, this is just how I remember it and I'm probably wrong somewhere in all this. 

Pitino had Iona going after one year. We just need a special coach. Not a feel good coach. 

We still haven't hired a decent coach Knight was fired. Not one.

I really think the program is dead. It's going to take a big name coach to resurrect it. We came close but missed this last time around. 

Just going to have to get better. One game at a time. One season at a time. 

16 hours ago, bronkonagurski said:

Crush them. No mercy!

Notre Dame is now seen as a place to get promoted.

Mike Elko

Clark Lea

Marcus Freeman

Lance Taylor(rb coach)

John McNulty

They have all become head coaches or coordinators recently from that program. This probably is a big reason.

Winning comfortably on the road? Heck yes!