tdhoosier

I like the idea, but again, it’s going to be a matter of providing it and the NCAA doesn’t have much investigative power.

I didn't know where to put this, but the NCAA board of directors released this today....

So we can’t boo him when he misses 2 in a row?

It’s gotta take a lot more than a video to convince me, but IF that’s how TJD can shoot next year then he’s All-American first team and a first rounder. He’s so quick and bouncy - if he gets his defenders to bite on his jumpers then SEE-YA. Big Ten bigs won’t have the footwork to stay in front of him. Big IF though.

to get even further off topic, who names their sons Seth and Steph? C'mon Dell!

I am wondering, in what league/sport (pro or college) do fans say: “The officials are great”?

That's a strange hypothetical. I definitely wouldn't say: you are only worth $500k and that's good enough - If he's willing to pay more then you can't take it because it will throw off the values of the girls working the corner. Ultimately though, that's her choice. I'd just advise her to make this transaction in Nevada. If you are referring to the literal definition of worth as tied to a monetary value, then yes. If you're speaking figuratively then that is subjective. I don't know Nijel Pack and I don't know your neighbor. If you're upset about this I suppose you can stop watching CBB, which contributes to Nijel Pack's worth. You have no idea if this is happening, as you admitted: that's just your perception. That said, typically players with selfish reputations don't get rewarded. And i'm not sure accepting money decreases your motivation to win - these are still college players who want to make it to the next level.

Man, all these companies throwing money at these kids really reiterates the point that they're not worth more than a scholarship. 🤔

I think it will determine what is and isn't a part of the official uniform. The Warriors are sponsored by Nike and wear their jerseys and warmups, but Steph Curry can still wear his UA shoes. This issue is dealt with in other sports, I don't know why it'd be a problem in college.

I'm note sure you'd see this because ESPN (for example) doesn't have deals with pro athletes that I'm aware of. A lot of these networks have journalism arms and signing athletes could bias their coverage. ....just a guess

"Amateurism" is a word only used when it's convenient for the NCAA to use it. Press conferences, dealing with fans, going to alumni events, making appearances at clinics, autograph sessions, interviews with sports writers etc. seems like professional responsibilities to me. The only thing amateur about it is that they aren't allowed compensation. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

So true. ANY fan base is the biggest group of entitled pricks. Mob mentality in coordinating colors.

If you missed curfew, go find another school! You no longer have the right to represent the name on the front of your jersey! ….And I still don’t want to see anybody’s names on the back of the jersey. You belong to us.

Also, the football player must be on his best behavior at all times because any bad press puts the school in negative light. I do not, under any circumstances, want to see him in a bar because he should be in the gym working out. My tax dollars are paying for his scholarship and he needs to perform at the highest level. He should be under a microscope at all times and it’s not too much to ask because he’s getting fairly compensated for these external pressures. And I also have the right to blow up his instagram and give him a piece of my mind when he has a bad game. He’s a big boy, he cant take it. This is D1 sports son…get use to it! ….But i don’t care what the biology major on the same scholarship does. Go get arrested for public urination for all I care.

It’s not worth it. I’m figuring this out…. old school thought process: I have the ability to determine what fair compensation is and it is a scholarship. This is fair compensation whether you are a biology major who studies in your room or you are a football player who brings paying customers to a stadium, leads his team to a bowl game for which the school receives a monetary reward for, have highlights on ESPN for which his school receives positive exposure for, is put on billboards off the highway coming into campus, etc. This football player should also not be able to collect money on the side because: why does he need money? His housing and food is paid for. This sounds good enough to me. BUT ME…..I should be making more than the janitor because I sell a lot of widgets that bring in revenue for my employer and the janitor just cleans the floor. I’m not undermining his job, but I’m more valuable to my company. It’d be silly to pay us the same thing. I should also be able to pick up a side job because I want to buy a boat. That’s my right! BUT I’ve convinced myself that these instances aren’t the same because it would seem hypocritical. It also may affect the game I love and things should not change because I love the way it is.

Speculating between the lines here: If he’s still in the portal waiting, that may be a sign that he is waiting for TJD to decide? And if this is the reason, you’d have to think the staff gave him a good reason that TJD’s scholarship would be available?

For probably 90% of college athletes a full ride probably is enough. Heck, it might even be more than enough in some cases (my opinion). I'm saving for 2 kids to go to college - it's a lot of money. I get it. But then there are those (elite) athletes in revenue generating sports who can earn more on top of a scholarship. If a company is willing to pay an athlete above and beyond their scholarship, then their value is higher. If the athlete is unable to collect on his/her full value, then by definition they are not "getting enough" of what they can earn. That is fact. If athletes aren't allowed to collect on their full value, then yes, I think they are being taken advantage of and it's not right. THIS is an opinion, and it is shared by the Supreme Court in a 9-0 vote. For some, I don't think it's a decent deal no matter how you slice it.

A good listen that covers a lot of the things we've spoken about on the last few pages.

My point is that they aren't going to be as making as much as they could be. Athletic donations will be down because all these collectives are popping up all over the place, schools now have competition in this area. I believe this is part of the reason the NCAA fought it tooth and nail, even though they didn't have a case. The other reason is power. The NCAA can't enforce NIL - it will ultimately be the states who do so. And if the NCAA doesn't enforce amateurism anymore (it's debatable even if they could before NIL), then what is their role in college athletics going forward? Perhaps it will just be limited to creating tournaments and distributing money to it's members. Perhaps they'll cease to exist. I don't disagree that the NCAA and it's member schools make a crap ton of money, but can't you see how their financial interest beyond TV contracts is threatened?

Do you think that the owner of Life Wallet is giving as much to Miami University if he’s shelling out all this cash directly to their athletes? If a business owner who is a donor to a university is a really big football fan that wants to see a better product on the field, will he/she donate that money to the athletic program’s general fund or use that money to get a player to endorse their company? In the future will universities get these huge shoe contracts if the the shoe companies can now pick and choose the players they want to be seen wearing their sneakers? Before another law suit, EA Sports was paying the NCAA for rights to put their athlete’s names in a video game, not the athletes. Yes, the NCAA and it’s universities will still make a lot of money, but some of that money is now being siphoned away. They are losing a piece of their pie.

@IU Scott And that ironically should tell you why their value is more than a typical scholarship. If companies or collectives want to pay athletes to hang out in a jacuzzi with super models then that is their prerogative. This money, that high level players can earn, was getting sucked up by colleges/NCAA. They were keeping for themselves an entire multi-billion dollar pie that other bakers helped bake. Look, I realize that this will very well change college athletics. I realize it’s hard to govern. But I see it as a necessary change that needed to happen because an institution should not be able to have that type of control over an individual. Not in college athletics. Not anywhere. If that’s going to change some things then so be it. The playing field won’t be level, but it never was level. Even in NBA the playing field isn’t level: Florida and Texas have an advantage with taxes, New York and LA have more endorsement opportunities and bigger markets to entice superstars, etc.. Yet, the NBA continues to exist and put a product on the floor. College athletics will continue on, but they’ll need to go through painful adaptations.

Anybody watch Naked and Afraid XL? This is the “all-star” version of Naked and Afraid, where they follow around the same groups for the entire season. My wife and I love it and the new season started last night.

What happened at Miami was shady AF because it seemed to go against the only rule that was put in place, but the NIL still isn’t going away. Neither is the portal That said, we are concentrating on Pack, but aren’t talking about the numerous players the NIL has kept in college. This is good for CBB, the lack of talent has made the game suffer.

🤦‍♂️ this doesn’t matter! Value the scholarship at $100 or $1,000,000. It still won’t matter and you’ll still be missing the point These athletes are not asking the schools for any more money. They understand that they can’t get paid by schools They want the right to earn more money from third party companies and the NCAA has no right to govern that. Especially when the NCAA and colleges financially benefited from not allowing it to happen. That is flat out scummy behavior under the guise of ‘amateurism’.

I find it funny how this point keeps being brought up. It’s not that anyone is devaluing a scholarship. What we are saying is that IF a kid CAN earn more outside of their scholarship via third party endorsement deals then it’s none of the NCAA’s business. The NCAA’s power of amateurism stops at a college not being able to pay an athlete.