iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, kyhoosier29 said: Wrong for not trusting MM to be a knock down shooter like we need? No one was saying he would be the only 3 point shooter but he is pretty good Rice was over 30% 3 pt shooter until a very bad stretch to end the season. I don't know why he stunk it up from outside to end the season but I don't think he is as bad of a shooter as his season percentage would suggest. Galloway was a good shooter the year before last. Needs to figure out what went wrong. We definitely need another good shooter but our team isn't completely devoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Just now, DC2345 said: I get not trusting him but he’s going to be one of the guys taking a good number of 3’s. Knockdown shooters will be coming off the bench Slow your roll DC! I edited my post 20 secs after my GIF to clarify what I was referring to and you were on top of it faster than flies on …..😂. I’m not questioning or doubting your info or that’s the way it will be. I just don’t like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, iuswingman said: No one was saying he would be the only 3 point shooter but he is pretty good Rice was over 30% 3 pt shooter until a very bad stretch to end the season. I don't know why he stunk it up from outside to end the season but I don't think he is as bad of a shooter as his season percentage would suggest. Galloway was a good shooter the year before last. Needs to figure out what went wrong. We definitely need another good shooter but our team isn't completely devoid. I’m tired of relying on guys that haven’t proven to be consistent. We need the sure thing…. get a couple proven shooters please. I’m hesitant on MM bc if he can’t play D, or rebound at a high rate from the 3-4 he can be more of a liability. I’m not willing to sacrifice those things for his 4.9 attempts per game. And just no on Gallo. Love everything else about him, but no. JMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 5 minutes ago, KDB said: He shot 38% from 3 in conference as a freshman on 4.9 attempts per game. I don't think there were many FR shooters that were better/Power 5/on that many attempts. Also... Trilly says Carlyle to IU. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Just now, btownqb said: I don't think there were many FR shooters that were better/Power 5/on that many attempts. Also... Trilly says Carlyle to IU. And I hope he keeps shooting and we can rely on that. But man he needs to improve on D and on the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, DC2345 said: 1. Rice, Galloway, Cupps 2. Carlyle, Hickman, Newton 3. Mgbako, Tucker 4. Reneau, TBD 5. Ballo, TBD In this hypothetical world, I don't think there's any way that Carlyle is going to start over Gallo. I think the appeal of Carlyle is his upside and that he has 3 years of eligibility left. @dgambill posted that clip of Rice lighting up Stanford two pages back. Watch who was defending him a majority of the time - Carlyle looked like a matador. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, kyhoosier29 said: I’m tired of relying on guys that haven’t proven to be consistent. We need the sure thing…. get a couple proven shooters please. I’m hesitant on MM bc if he can’t play D, or rebound at a high rate from the 3-4 he can be more of a liability. I’m not willing to sacrifice those things for his 4.9 attempts per game. And just no on Gallo. Love everything else about him, but no. JMO. More 3 point shooters isn't going to fix Woodson's buddy ball crap in the post that puts MM at 3 when he should be a 4. I agree we need another outside shooter but finding the next Matt Roth or other 3 point specialist to sit the bench isn't really going to solve much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DC2345 Posted April 12 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 12 per Tony Ardagna this is good info for everyone to remember. Shooting is fun & all, but you need creators for most knockdown shooters to even matter. Carlyle & Rice are both high-level creators. They will greatly help overall offensive movement. Spacing could be a lot better with just a little bit of an improvement from those two and their ability to shoot the 3. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: And I hope he keeps shooting and we can rely on that. But man he needs to improve on D and on the boards. I don't feel he needs to improve on the boards, any more than the usual FR do. Defensively he was atrocious for portions of the year... that DID improve some. But man, if the 24 yr old PG had done his job, along with staying healthy that could have had a DIRECT positive impact on MM. MM had to figure shit out by himself, IMO, at the beginning. He failed for about 6-7 games. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, DC2345 said: 1. Rice, Galloway, Cupps 2. Carlyle, Hickman, Newton 3. Mgbako, Tucker 4. Reneau, TBD 5. Ballo, TBD No conwell certainly hurts my feelings but Carlyle Hickman is great too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, DC2345 said: per Tony Ardagna this is good info for everyone to remember. Shooting is fun & all, but you need creators for most knockdown shooters to even matter. Carlyle & Rice are both high-level creators. They will greatly help overall offensive movement. Spacing could be a lot better with just a little bit of an improvement from those two and their ability to shoot the 3. how are Rice and Carlyle with on the ball defense? Our defense stunk it up when Xavier wasn't playing or wasn't getting after it. We are just as a sparse on players that can pressure the ball as we are with outside shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 4 minutes ago, Andrew said: No conwell certainly hurts my feelings but Carlyle Hickman is great too IU is still trying with Conwell I just feel like it’s a long shot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, iuswingman said: how are Rice and Carlyle with on the ball defense? Our defense stunk it up when Xavier wasn't playing or wasn't getting after it. We are just as a sparse on players that can pressure the ball as we are with outside shooting. I really don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, iuswingman said: how are Rice and Carlyle with on the ball defense? Our defense stunk it up when Xavier wasn't playing or wasn't getting after it. We are just as a sparse on players that can pressure the ball as we are with outside shooting. I alluded to this clip above. This highlights Rice in the Stanford game, but watch Carlyle on defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 (edited) I agree playmakers are important. But while I hate to rain on the parade, a starting lineup with Reneau and Ballo, and only one proven shooter in Mbgako, won't correct the offensive issues IU has had the last few years. Issues which derive from the scheme Woodson insists on playing. And none of this even begins to address the defensive end, which, per advanced metrics, has dropped considerably each year of Woodson's tenure. Every year people get excited about an infusion of talent this time of year, only to be deeply disappointed come January or February. Not sure Rice/Carlyle/Ballo meaningfully changes that. Edited April 12 by IUProfessor 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 17 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Slow your roll DC! I edited my post 20 secs after my GIF to clarify what I was referring to and you were on top of it faster than flies on …..😂. I’m not questioning or doubting your info or that’s the way it will be. I just don’t like it. I understand it. I’m not saying it will be great but I just want two see improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, IUProfessor said: I agree playmakers are important. But while I hate to rain on the parade, a starting lineup with Reneau and Ballo, and only one proven shooter in Mbgako, won't correct the offensive issues IU has had the last few years. Issues which derive from the scheme Woodson insists on playing. And none of this even begins to address the defensive end, which, per advanced metrics, has dropped considerably each year of Woodson's tenure. Every year people get excited about an infusion of talent this time of year, only to be deeply disappointed come January or February. Not sure Rice/Carlyle/Ballo meaningfully changes that. Every year? The bold is wild man. To each their own, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: I agree playmakers are important. But while I hate to rain on the parade, a starting lineup with Reneau and Ballo, and only one proven shooter in Mbgako, won't correct the offensive issues IU has had the last few years. Issues which derive from the scheme Woodson insists on playing. And none of this even begins to address the defensive end, which, per advanced metrics, has dropped considerably each year of Woodson's tenure. Every year people get excited about an infusion of talent this time of year, only to be deeply disappointed come January or February. Not sure Rice/Carlyle/Ballo meaningfully changes that. I agree buddy ball limits our offense but no one here is advocating for not adding any shooters and leaving it to just Mgbako. Mgbako got brought up when someone said we didn't have any shooters. We hopefully will get a least 1 quality shooter that is in the high 30s or better percentage. Edited April 12 by iuswingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, iuswingman said: I agree buddy ball limits our offense but no one here is advocating for not adding any shooters and leaving it to just Mgbako. In my mind, that's what a starting lineup of Rice-Carlyle-Mgbako-Reneau-Ballo would represent. Just to be clear, I think Rice is a great target, and expect that he will improve his 3 point shooting in time. I don't see Carlyle as a great fit with this roster, especially at the expense of a great all-around talent like Conwell. Ballo is a pass for me, I don't think he and Reneau will pair well together for a coherent, high level offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 (edited) 7 minutes ago, btownqb said: Every year? The bold is wild man. To each their own, though. I don't think Rice-Carlyle-Ballo is a better infusion of talent than Mgbako and Ware were last year, and look how that ended. Edited April 12 by IUProfessor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, IUProfessor said: I don't think Rice-Carlyle-Ballo is a better infusion of talent than Mgbako and Ware were last year, and look how that ended. Oh I think it's significantly better. Coupled with MR/MM improving their games, that's a helluva start to a team. Carlyle's EFG% was 54% on catch-and-shoot 3s. 73rd percentile in the country. Furthermore, his "spot up" so catch and shoot plus catch and drive was 1.1PPP and was in the 81st percentile. This couples with Rice very well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 5 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: I don't think Rice-Carlyle-Ballo is a better infusion of talent than Mgbako and Ware were last year, and look how that ended. Well it’s significantly better 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: Oh I think it's significantly better. Coupled with MR/MM improving their games, that's a helluva start to a team. Carlyle's EFG% was 54% on catch-and-shoot 3s. 73rd percentile in the country. Furthermore, his "spot up" so catch and shoot plus catch and drive was 1.1PPP and was in the 81st percentile. This couples with Rice very well. Time will tell. Conwell is a more proven, well rounded talent IMO, but I suspect Carlyle will prevent us from landing him. Meanwhile, IU's ceiling is severely limited running a two low post offense. But I've been wrong before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: In my mind, that's what a starting lineup of Rice-Carlyle-Mgbako-Reneau-Ballo would represent. Just to be clear, I think Rice is a great target, and expect that he will improve his 3 point shooting in time. I don't see Carlyle as a great fit with this roster, especially at the expense of a great all-around talent like Conwell. Ballo is a pass for me, I don't think he and Reneau will pair well together for a coherent, high level offense. I agree. But they made the point on Assembly Call last night that Woody has a philosophy of playing 2 bigs at the same time. He's obviously looking for a starting caliber big in the portal, so it's pretty clear he's not going to stray from that philosophy anytime soon. And if 'Woody is going to continue to Woody', then you might as well go get the best big you can find. He's not going to change his style, i've just surrendered to that belief. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 5 minutes ago, btownqb said: Oh I think it's significantly better. Coupled with MR/MM improving their games, that's a helluva start to a team. Carlyle's EFG% was 54% on catch-and-shoot 3s. 73rd percentile in the country. Furthermore, his "spot up" so catch and shoot plus catch and drive was 1.1PPP and was in the 81st percentile. This couples with Rice very well. You all know I don't do advanced metrics.Tony Aldragna was on Assembly Call and said Rice's offensive efficiency was 105 last year and JHS efficiency his freshman year was 94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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