btownqb Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Just now, IUProfessor said: Time will tell. Conwell is a more proven, well rounded talent IMO, but I suspect Carlyle will prevent us from landing him. Meanwhile, IU's ceiling is severely limited running a two low post offense. But I've been wrong before... I don't think Malik is a "low post" offense guy, I think there are multiple facets to his game, especially moving forward.. Ballo doesn't get his points in the same way that Ware did. I also only see those two playing 30mpg tops.. still ways to have multiple lineups throughout the game. Conwell, playing in the MVC, is more proven than Rice, the Pac 12 FR of the year? Ehhh. Furthermore, Carlyle's FR numbers, against significantly better competition dwarfed Conwell's FR numbers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 10 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: I don't think Rice-Carlyle-Ballo is a better infusion of talent than Mgbako and Ware were last year, and look how that ended. It's hard to make a good lineup with MR being a tweener between 4 and 5. The issue wasn't with adding Mgbako and Ware though. The biggest issue was Woodson completely whiffed on adding any starting level guards and we went into the season with wild thing XJ and Gallo as our best guards. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 (edited) On 4/12/2024 at 10:42 AM, btownqb said: I don't think Malik is a "low post" offense guy, I think there are multiple facets to his game, especially moving forward.. Ballo doesn't get his points in the same way that Ware did. I also only see those two playing 30mpg tops.. still ways to have multiple lineups throughout the game. Conwell, playing in the MVC, is more proven than Rice, the Pac 12 FR of the year? Ehhh. Furthermore, Carlyle's FR numbers, against significantly better competition dwarfed Conwell's FR numbers. If it was me, I would roughly do the following MM at the 4, MR at the 5 for 10 minutes MM at the 4, Ballo at the 5 for 10 minutes MR at the 4, Ballo at the 5 for 20 minutes MM would then get stuck out of position at the 3 for maybe 10 minutes or so and Tucker and someone else could play the remaining 30 minutes at the 3. Edited April 13 by iuswingman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 (edited) I really don't mean to be a buzzkill, so I'll leave it here. But there hasn't been a year in recent memory where the on court results matched the pre-season hype for IU. All I'm saying is that I see no reason to believe next year will be any different. Yes, there was a talent deficiency last year in the backcourt, but the bigger issue is a schematic deficiency that isn't going away. Again, happy to be proven wrong in time. But I don't think I will be. Edited April 12 by IUProfessor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 28 minutes ago, DC2345 said: IU is still trying with Conwell I just feel like it’s a long shot As long as we don’t have to play him is how i always feel about it when we don’t get recruits i want haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 17 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: I don't think Rice-Carlyle-Ballo is a better infusion of talent than Mgbako and Ware were last year, and look how that ended. How about if we get Rice, Carlyle, Ballo, Hickman and another stretch for type of players. Plus we also got Tucker this spring as well. Which off season would be better. Rice, Carlyle, Ballo, Hickman, Tucker MM, Ware, Cupps, Newton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: I really don't mean to be a buzzkill, so I'll leave it here. But there hasn't been a year in recent memory where the on court results matched the pre-season hype for IU. All I'm saying is that I see no reason to believe next year will be any different. Yes, there was a talent deficiency last year in the backcourt, but the higger issue is a schematic deficiency that isn't going away. Again, happy to be proven wrong in time. But I don't think I will be. We are as good at hyping as most fanbases. Definitely haven't been living up to that hype. We are stuck with Woodson so I am right there with you on not being too optimistic about this upcoming season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Also remember that international players that aren’t US citizens can only earn NIL in their home country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IU Scott said: How about if we get Rice, Carlyle, Ballo, Hickman and another stretch for type of players. Plus we also got Tucker this spring as well. Which off season would be better. Rice, Carlyle, Ballo, Hickman, Tucker MM, Ware, Cupps, Newton Ranking 1) Ware 2) Rice 3) MM 4) Ballo 5) Carlyle 6) Tucker (if he stays for a while, he has a ton of potential to be higher) 7) Hickman (probably higher if factoring in need) 8 ) Cupps 9) Newton (only because we haven't seen anything) Overall this offseason would be better simply because it addressed the positions more evenly. Edited April 12 by iuswingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 4 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Also remember that international players that aren’t US citizens can only earn NIL in their home country. Guessing Ballo isn't a US citizen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 22 minutes ago, IU Scott said: You all know I don't do advanced metrics.Tony Aldragna was on Assembly Call and said Rice's offensive efficiency was 105 last year and JHS efficiency his freshman year was 94 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Payne's visit starts today. I like him too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Just now, btownqb said: Guessing Ballo isn't a US citizen? I don't believe so but it sounds like he's eligible for NIL so I'm a little confused on those regulations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I don't believe so but it sounds like he's eligible for NIL so I'm a little confused on those regulations. Work visa. Maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94hoosier Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Biggest problem last season wasn’t playing tow bigs. The guard play outside of Galloway wasn’t that good. Cupps tired and did fine but really should have limited to 10 minutes. X never got healthy and struggled. Gunn and Banks disappointed. If the guard play is better we can absolutely succeed with Malik play alongside another big. Guards that create and knock down tough shots and get to the rim. Rice and Carlye seem to fit. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94hoosier Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 I would take Payne and Ballo both. MR an MM with those 2. We can compete with anyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuswingman Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 6 minutes ago, btownqb said: Payne's visit starts today. I like him too. Wonder if we would try pull in both Payne and Ballo or if it is 1 or the other. I'm hoping for Rice, Carlyle, Conwell, Ballo or Payne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, iuswingman said: Wonder if we would try pull in both Payne and Ballo or if it is 1 or the other. I'm hoping for Rice, Carlyle, Conwell, Ballo or Payne I think it’d be one or the other 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 4 minutes ago, iuswingman said: Wonder if we would try pull in both Payne and Ballo or if it is 1 or the other. I'm hoping for Rice, Carlyle, Conwell, Ballo or Payne Not likely. IU will land 1 or the other and call me crazy but I really want Malone to be the backup 5. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Just now, DC2345 said: Not likely. IU will land 1 or the other and call me crazy but I really want Malone to be the backup 5. Moses or Karl? 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JABBATHEHOOSIER Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Not likely. IU will land 1 or the other and call me crazy but I really want Malone to be the backup 5. Is that the NAIA kid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom White Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 15 minutes ago, Victobmyboy said: Work visa. Maybe? Or dual citizenship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 20 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I don't believe so but it sounds like he's eligible for NIL so I'm a little confused on those regulations. Ballo is from Mali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 55 minutes ago, btownqb said: Oh I think it's significantly better. Coupled with MR/MM improving their games, that's a helluva start to a team. Carlyle's EFG% was 54% on catch-and-shoot 3s. 73rd percentile in the country. Furthermore, his "spot up" so catch and shoot plus catch and drive was 1.1PPP and was in the 81st percentile. This couples with Rice very well. ....and we just spoke about this, this morning when you walked in my classroom......., I think several are forgetting the potential Tucker can add to this team next year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom White Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 8 minutes ago, btownqb said: Moses or Karl? Hopefully not Sam. (Cheers reference) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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