Steubenhoosier Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 22 hours ago, IU Scott said: wonder how they would get their income taxed 22 hours ago, rico said: I have no idea about it myself. Discussion about this on Golic and Wingo this morning. Evidently, a white paper was written about this subject a couple of years ago. Not only would a high earner be taxed at the US' highest rate, they would also more than likely be taxed at the UK's highest rate, which is 45%. This would be dependent on the player residing in the UK over a certain number of days, which by the length of the NFL season they would exceed. Gave two examples. On the high end, Jared Goff signed a contract for $28 million a year in 2017. If he were playing in the UK under that contract, after paying taxes in both countries his net income would be $4.3 milllion. Nothing to cry about, but still quite a tax hit. On the low end, the journeyman player making $675,000 would net $103,000 after taxes. This would create a huge competitive issue for any team based in the UK. Either there would have to be significant cost of living concessions paid to account for the additional taxes--and the NFL would have to be extremely transparent about it, or no one in their right mind would want to play for the team as soon as their initial contracts were up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Discussion about this on Golic and Wingo this morning. Evidently, a white paper was written about this subject a couple of years ago. Not only would a high earner be taxed at the US' highest rate, they would also more than likely be taxed at the UK's highest rate, which is 45%. This would be dependent on the player residing in the UK over a certain number of days, which by the length of the NFL season they would exceed. Gave two examples. On the high end, Jared Goff signed a contract for $28 million a year in 2017. If he were playing in the UK under that contract, after paying taxes in both countries his net income would be $4.3 milllion. Nothing to cry about, but still quite a tax hit. On the low end, the journeyman player making $675,000 would net $103,000 after taxes. This would create a huge competitive issue for any team based in the UK. Either there would have to be significant cost of living concessions paid to account for the additional taxes--and the NFL would have to be extremely transparent about it, or no one in their right mind would want to play for the team as soon as their initial contracts were up. So what would happen if the players just showed up for the games? I mean the Chargers had a practice facility in the Northeast US somewhere and just went to England to play their home games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 46 minutes ago, rico said: So what would happen if the players just showed up for the games? I mean the Chargers had a practice facility in the Northeast US somewhere and just went to England to play their home games? I suppose that would get around the foreign tax. However, if the reason the NFL is doing this is to build a presence in Europe, I would imagine they would want the players living in the community they are playing in, for all the other things players do to build goodwill, other than playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: I suppose that would get around the foreign tax. However, if the reason the NFL is doing this is to build a presence in Europe, I would imagine they would want the players living in the community they are playing in, for all the other things players do to build goodwill, other than playing football. I agree. Seems like if London wants us there, they need to make some concessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 Mitch Trubisky is wanting TV's turned off at Halas Hall so he and other players don't have to hear criticism. I'm cool with that....as long as he doesn't mind I shut my TV off when he air mails pass after pass.....can't read 2-3 progressions and honestly looks absolutely lost on a NFL field. Fun times this week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: Mitch Trubisky is wanting TV's turned off at Halas Hall so he and other players don't have to hear criticism. I'm cool with that....as long as he doesn't mind I shut my TV off when he air mails pass after pass.....can't read 2-3 progressions and honestly looks absolutely lost on a NFL field. Fun times this week! Well, at least if you put a bet down on Mitch to be NFL MVP this year, PointsBet Sportsbook will give you a refund... Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 12 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Mitch Trubisky is wanting TV's turned off at Halas Hall so he and other players don't have to hear criticism. I'm cool with that....as long as he doesn't mind I shut my TV off when he air mails pass after pass.....can't read 2-3 progressions and honestly looks absolutely lost on a NFL field. Fun times this week! So how many more days does Mitch have left in Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, rico said: So how many more days does Mitch have left in Chicago? At his current clip I'd say somewhere between 70 days and 425 days....but no way Pace could pick up team option for 20121 on his rookie deal. Again...at his current performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: At his current clip I'd say somewhere between 70 days and 425 days....but no way Pace could pick up team option for 20121 on his rookie deal. Again...at his current performance. At his current clip is arsz is gonna be standing on the sideline with a baseball cap on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, rico said: At his current clip is arsz is gonna be standing on the sideline with a baseball cap on. Stocking cap. He doesn't like the cold. Haha.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: Stocking cap. He doesn't like the cold. Haha.. I hate to say it, but I think Da Bears have themselves another QB bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, rico said: I hate to say it, but I think Da Bears have themselves another QB bust. Since McMahon officially left after 1988. By my count on this list the Bears have had 32 different starting qb's since. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bears_starting_quarterbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Since McMahon officially left after 1988. By my count on this list the Bears have had 32 different starting qb's since. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bears_starting_quarterbacks What chou talking about Peter Tom Willis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Seeking6 said: Since McMahon officially left after 1988. By my count on this list the Bears have had 32 different starting qb's since. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bears_starting_quarterbacks If that ain't the sorriest list you ever saw. Met Henry Burris at the camp one year. He was nice kid. Not much of a QB though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 Is it actually the QBs, or is it coaching and offensive schemes that limit what a QB can do? Mahomes and Watson were taken in the same draft as Mitch. Would either of them be as successful on the Bears as they are with the Chiefs/Texans? I say they would not be as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Is it actually the QBs, or is it coaching and offensive schemes that limit what a QB can do? Mahomes and Watson were taken in the same draft as Mitch. Would either of them be as successful on the Bears as they are with the Chiefs/Texans? I say they would not be as good. Chicken or the egg thing. Is Nagy going very basic stuff because he doesn't believe Mitch can do certain things? Where as if he had a kid like Watson he could? I haven't been a fan of Nagy's play calling but right now the issue is squarely on Mitch in my opinion....not Nagy. He isn't capable of basic reads, progressions....or situational awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 13 hours ago, 5fouls said: Is it actually the QBs, or is it coaching and offensive schemes that limit what a QB can do? Mahomes and Watson were taken in the same draft as Mitch. Would either of them be as successful on the Bears as they are with the Chiefs/Texans? I say they would not be as good. So your are saying the Bears historical QB woes are due to the coaching staffs that were in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, rico said: So your are saying the Bears historical QB woes are due to the coaching staffs that were in place? Partially, yes. And, their focus on being a defensive first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Partially, yes. And, their focus on being a defensive first team. Oddly enough, part of me agrees with you as I look back on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 47 minutes ago, rico said: Oddly enough, part of me agrees with you as I look back on things. I look at things in strange ways. But, I thought to myself. If Patrick Mahomes would have been drafted by the Bears, would he have been the same player as he has been with the Chiefs. For me, it's a pretty clear 'No'. Then, I stepped back and thought, If Patrick Mahomes had been drafted at any point and time in the last 30 years by the Bears, would he be the same player as we have seen with the Chiefs. It's still a 'No', because of the coaching philosophies of the Bears over the years. By contrast, let's put Patrick Mahomes on an awful franchise like the Bengals at any point over the last 30 years. He's a game changer. He does not necessarily make the Bengals Super bowl favorites, but the organization seemingly wants to be good offensively, and would allow the QB to be the face of the franchise. I just don't see where the Bears have ever been put together in a manner where the QB is the main focus of the team. And, that is why you get the Mitch Trubitsky's of the world instead of Mahomes, Watson, Rodgers, Wilson, or even someone like Matthew Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I look at things in strange ways. But, I thought to myself. If Patrick Mahomes would have been drafted by the Bears, would he have been the same player as he has been with the Chiefs. For me, it's a pretty clear 'No'. Then, I stepped back and thought, If Patrick Mahomes had been drafted at any point and time in the last 30 years by the Bears, would he be the same player as we have seen with the Chiefs. It's still a 'No', because of the coaching philosophies of the Bears over the years. By contrast, let's put Patrick Mahomes on an awful franchise like the Bengals at any point over the last 30 years. He's a game changer. He does not necessarily make the Bengals Super bowl favorites, but the organization seemingly wants to be good offensively, and would allow the QB to be the face of the franchise. I just don't see where the Bears have ever been put together in a manner where the QB is the main focus of the team. And, that is why you get the Mitch Trubitsky's of the world instead of Mahomes, Watson, Rodgers, Wilson, or even someone like Matthew Stafford. Good stuff my friend. I look at a coach like Don Shula who coached the "No-name defense", "The Killer Bees", and "The Bruise Brothers." Pretty conservative offensively throwing the ball. Then the Fins draft Marino and Don changed. The team was built around the QB. Back to the Bears and what you stated and I would say you pretty much spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Here's an interesting development only for the Bears fans on this board. Since week 2 our backup backup back Mike Davis has played 5 snaps. If he's not cut by tomorrow the Bears would lose a compensatory pick (4th round) in next years draft. As of yesterday he was still practicing in full. Talk about ineptness. If Pace doesn't cut him today...and get the 4th round pick he can hit the bricks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Here's an interesting development only for the Bears fans on this board. Since week 2 our backup backup back Mike Davis has played 5 snaps. If he's not cut by tomorrow the Bears would lose a compensatory pick (4th round) in next years draft. As of yesterday he was still practicing in full. Talk about ineptness. If Pace doesn't cut him today...and get the 4th round pick he can hit the bricks too. I would have guessed Mike Davis would have been released to get back on the Detroit sideline for some basketball. I kid but either Mike Davis would be as good as Someone's man Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Look at the Bears' coaches from Ditka forward. Wannstedt-defensive coach Jauron-defensive coach Lovie-defensive coach Trestman-not much of a coach but offensively oriented Fox-defensive coach Now with that group, I'd agree. Mahomes would have been relegated to a game manager, handing the ball off and occasionally throwing a short pass. But I think with Nagy it might be a different story. I'm not going to say the play calling is beyond reproach, but Mitch isn't cutting it for all the reasons S6 mentioned in a previous post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Not a Bears fan at all but....when is the last time they have had decent receivers? They had Alshon Jeffrey, but who else? I get and agree with the conversation regarding the Bears hiring defensive oriented coaches, and their poor drafting track record. However, there has to be talent surrounding the qb for him and the team to be successful. I struggle to remember any real weapons the Bears have had on the outside in the recent past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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