milehiiu Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 Top five point guards in Indiana history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 hours ago, milehiiu said: Top five point guards in Indiana history That author needs a reality check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 So much miss in that article...I almost didn't consider Damon Bailey a guard, but if you include him, you gotta include Vic even though he left a season early. Jimmy Rayl was before his and my time, but you still can't exclude him. I can only guess he excluded Eric Gordon due to his short tenure. Pretty poor attempt. I think this forum could collectively put together a far better list, but you'd also have to define the parameters for inclusion beyond "played at IU". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: So much miss in that article...I almost didn't consider Damon Bailey a guard, but if you include him, you gotta include Vic even though he left a season early. Jimmy Rayl was before his and my time, but you still can't exclude him. I can only guess he excluded Eric Gordon due to his short tenure. Pretty poor attempt. I think this forum could collectively put together a far better list, but you'd also have to define the parameters for inclusion beyond "played at IU". The article was only about PGs. That's why Alford isn't on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted June 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: The article was only about PGs. That's why Alford isn't on it. My error. I titled the thread, guards only. Have edited to reflect point guards. Thanks for pointing that out to me (no pun intended, LOL ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad B Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 I actually thought the list was pretty good. At least I had the top three the same as the author. I don't know the history prior to Quinn Buckner. I am not sure I would consider Damon a point guard, but more of a combo guard in today's world. I would not choose Smart, but don't really have a clear cut favorite to replace him. Coverdale, Lewis, Guyton, Reynolds, and some obvious point guards I am sure I am missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: The article was only about PGs. That's why Alford isn't on it. Damon Bailey was a point guard? I think that would be news even to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: The article was only about PGs. That's why Alford isn't on it. I referenced Vic and not Alford. Nevertheless, they would both be as close to a point guard as Bailey was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 55 minutes ago, Chad B said: I actually thought the list was pretty good. At least I had the top three the same as the author. I don't know the history prior to Quinn Buckner. I am not sure I would consider Damon a point guard, but more of a combo guard in today's world. I would not choose Smart, but don't really have a clear cut favorite to replace him. Coverdale, Lewis, Guyton, Reynolds, and some obvious point guards I am sure I am missing. IMO, Bailey's game was closer to a 3 than a 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: Damon Bailey was a point guard? I think that would be news even to him. I agree that it's a bad list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErniePyle Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Would anyone put Tom Coverdale in the Top 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 This list is ridiculous. The only one they got right is Isiah Thomas. No Lyndon Jones or Greg Graham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, ErniePyle said: Would anyone put Tom Coverdale in the Top 5? He deserves to be in consideration for top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, mrflynn03 said: This list is ridiculous. The only one they got right is Isiah Thomas. No Lyndon Jones or Greg Graham? You dont have Yogi Ferrell in your top 5? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 What?? No love for Bootsie White?? 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, jv1972iu said: What?? No love for Bootsie White?? 😃 I thought I'd see Vernon Payne's name first, but always good to get a Bootsie reference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Also, where is AJ Guyton on this list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Smart never led us in assists in the 2 years he played. Alford actually led the team in '87...and Hillman did in '88(I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, rico said: Smart never led us in assists in the 2 years he played. Alford actually led the team in '87...and Hillman did in '88(I think). Yeah, I think there's a lot of ambiguity in talking about IU point and shooting guards over the years. I remember Bobby Wilkerson did a lot of the ball handling for the IU squads in 74 thru 76. He had more assists than Buckner in 76 too, so who was really the point guard? Brought up AJ Guyton for the same reason. I know Michael Lewis was on those teams as well, but AJ handled a lot of the point guard duties as I remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: Yeah, I think there's a lot of ambiguity in talking about IU point and shooting guards over the years. I remember Bobby Wilkerson did a lot of the ball handling for the IU squads in 74 thru 76. He had more assists than Buckner in 76 too, so who was really the point guard? Brought up AJ Guyton for the same reason. I know Michael Lewis was on those teams as well, but AJ handled a lot of the point guard duties as I remember it. Well AJ should be on that list over Smart. And when Bailey played, multiple guys "handled" the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 8 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: This list is ridiculous. The only one they got right is Isiah Thomas. No Lyndon Jones or Greg Graham? Greg Graham was not a point guard and Lyndon Jones did not even start his last two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison22 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: Greg Graham was not a point guard and Lyndon Jones did not even start his last two years Ten out of eleven players on the 1990 - 1991 team shot over 50% from the field. If not for the coach's son Pat Knight, would this have been the first team in NCAA history to have every player top 50% for a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted June 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Pat Knight, Indiana Pacers, Scout - RealGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 11 hours ago, IU Scott said: Greg Graham was not a point guard and Lyndon Jones did not even start his last two years Lyndon Jones actually started quite a bit his last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Madison22 said: Ten out of eleven players on the 1990 - 1991 team shot over 50% from the field. If not for the coach's son Pat Knight, would this have been the first team in NCAA history to have every player top 50% for a season? Calbert Cheaney shot almost 60% from the field. Try and imagine a player with a mid-range game doing that in today's day and age. Oh, wait, there is no such thing as a mid range game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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