68Hoosier Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 How is it that teams like UL, Kansas, NC can go through sandal after scandal and bounce right back into the top 10. UL just fired the coach, lost a banner, has been in the news for every major violation lately and yet here we are... I used to believe that Karma would prevail eventually but now I am not too sure. Outside of my own integrity of playing by the rules (I do this in all aspects of my life by the way and it drives me crazy sometimes) even when no one is watching, I think sometimes I wish the coaches would bend the rules and delay any involvement from NCAA. We have enough boosters and connections we should be at the top of all recruits wish list. Sorry - rant is over and I am ready to watch our Hoosiers win tonight tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Rather lose every game than be like those programs who cheat to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68Hoosier Posted November 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Rather lose every game than be like those programs who cheat to win I know, I would too but man its frustrating to see these programs continue to prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 There is a big difference in outright cheating and playing in the gray area. Some programs are much more willing to get to that line or cross it. Coaches are just like our kids they will go as far as they are allowed to go. If NCAA has no balls to do anything why would most programs not do it. Thats why the state of college basketball is right where it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: There is a big difference in outright cheating and playing in the gray area. Some programs are much more willing to get to that line or cross it. Coaches are just like our kids they will go as far as they are allowed to go. If NCAA has no balls to do anything why would most programs not do it. Thats why the state of college basketball is right where it is. That and the NCAA is basically like a de-clawed cat. It can swipe at you, but it's not going to hurt you, unless you somehow find a way to let it (e.g., self-report). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: That and the NCAA is basically like a de-clawed cat. It can swipe at you, but it's not going to hurt you, unless you somehow find a way to let it (e.g., self-report). Great analogy. I just find it hard to believe that a squeaky clean program will sustain success in todays game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: Great analogy. I just find it hard to believe that a squeaky clean program will sustain success in todays game It makes it a lot harder, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Coach Knight won multiple National Championships while at IU. And had an impeccable reputation for winning without cheating. Whether or not that was true. The reputation stands to this day. And was something all IU fans were proud of. On the other hand. IU hired a coach who was already being investigated for rule breaking. Hired him anyway. And suffered the consequences. Put on suspension. Lost scholarships. etc. etc. And our reputation was sullied. To the point. Where fans from other schools such as Illinois and Kentucky, and even Kansas, who had done far worse than Sampson... delighted in making fun of IU. I say. NEVER AGAIN ! Win by following the rules. The Knight way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I think seeing the Virginia/Texas Tech final last year gave the relatively clean programs some hope. I have no problem with going up to and toeing the line, but let's stay on the good side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: I think seeing the Virginia/Texas Tech final last year gave the relatively clean programs some hope. I have no problem with going up to and toeing the line, but let's stay on the good side of things. I agree but we assume both are clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: I agree but we assume both are clean. Can never know anything like that for absolute certainty, but those are two I'd bet on being more clean than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Gentlemen - In the NCAA, both in basketball and football....very very few major schools are "squeaky clean." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Hoosier987 said: Gentlemen - In the NCAA, both in basketball and football....very very few major schools are "squeaky clean." There are very few at any level. The very thing that makes a coach great is the same thing that pushes many to cross the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said: Gentlemen - In the NCAA, both in basketball and football....very very few major schools are "squeaky clean." Hence why I worded my above statment "...more clean than not." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Billingsley99 said: Great analogy. I just find it hard to believe that a squeaky clean program will sustain success in todays game UVA has had a lot of success and seams to be cleaned. Just because others play in the gray area does not mean I want IU to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Just because others play in the gray area does not mean I want IU to do it. Right there with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Billingsley99 said: Great analogy. I just find it hard to believe that a squeaky clean program will sustain success in todays game It's been a few years since they won a Championship, but UK has maintained some success over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 49 minutes ago, IU Scott said: UVA has had a lot of success and seams to be cleaned. Just because others play in the gray area does not mean I want IU to do it. It's interesting how different people interpret things differently. I interpret "gray" as "pushing the boundaries, but most would interpret the action to be legal". And I'm fine with being in the gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said: It's interesting how different people interpret things differently. I interpret "gray" as "pushing the boundaries, but most would interpret the action to be legal". And I'm fine with being in the gray. I think the concern/interpretation is playing the grey includes the possibility of sanctions/being found to have crossed the line. I'm more in the walk up to the line but be careful not to cross it mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, 5fouls said: It's been a few years since they won a Championship, but UK has maintained some success over the years. Well, they are squeaky, anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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