Maedhros Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 12 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: The fans are completely done and there's no getting them back. They're already throwing out words like DEI hire and BLM all over Twitter. An even worse word is likely coming if Dolson doesn't move soon. A mass exodus is also coming and he can't recruit no matter how much NIL money we throw out. You're looking at an atmosphere this summer and next season that will make the RMK and Sampson firings seem like a day at Disneyland. Not sure what the solution is if Dolson really is shackled. Let's be clear. Wheaver his failings at Indiana, Mike Woodson is an accomplished man. He has spent a lifetime playing and coaching the game of basketball, with the relationships and reputation that develop from such a career. That, and his alumni status, are why he was hired at Indiana, not BLM or DEI. The fans using those terms as perjoratives are doing so only because of the color of his skin, and I find that far uglier than any number of basketball games Woodson could ever lose. 7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, Maedhros said: Let's be clear. Wheaver his failings at Indiana, Mike Woodson is an accomplished man. He has spent a lifetime playing and coaching the game of basketball, with the relationships and reputation that develop from such a career. That, and his alumni status, are why he was hired at Indiana, not BLM or DEI. The fans using those terms as perjoratives are doing so only because of the color of his skin, and I find that far uglier than any number of basketball games Woodson could ever lose. But he has no self-awareness. He just has to know he isn't the right guy for the job. He has to. He's also past retirement age. So go into Dolson's office and negotiate a retirement package. Bow out gracefully. Part of the reason the fans go nuts is we've seen time and time again that the administration simply can't or isn't willing to fix things themselves. Or they simply wait many years too long. Fans therefore feel they have to take matters into their own hands. Create such a toxic environment that he can't possibly succeed and force a firing. If the administration would simply go out and hire a big name coach this would all go away. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsStoller Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 37 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: You have to think Dolson is making calls and trying to find a way out of this mess. Mike simply doesn't have a clue. Never should've been hired. Next season will be worse and everyone knows it. Sadly Buckner and the Simon's want him back. The fans are completely done and there's no getting them back. They're already throwing out words like DEI hire and BLM all over Twitter. An even worse word is likely coming if Dolson doesn't move soon. A mass exodus is also coming and he can't recruit no matter how much NIL money we throw out. You're looking at an atmosphere this summer and next season that will make the RMK and Sampson firings seem like a day at Disneyland. Not sure what the solution is if Dolson really is shackled. For what it’s worth, I haven’t seen either of those words used in the Twitter comments I’ve read. And I’ve been on Twitter quite a bit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 8 minutes ago, Maedhros said: Let's be clear. Wheaver his failings at Indiana, Mike Woodson is an accomplished man. He has spent a lifetime playing and coaching the game of basketball, with the relationships and reputation that develop from such a career. That, and his alumni status, are why he was hired at Indiana, not BLM or DEI. The fans using those terms as perjoratives are doing so only because of the color of his skin, and I find that far uglier than any number of basketball games Woodson could ever lose. While I agree with the second half of your post, there is a lot to debate about how accomplished he is from a basketball coaching standpoint. I'll just say this, if IU hires an NBA assistant coach, that has a below .500 career record as a head coach and hasn't had a head coaching job in 7 years, hasn't sniffed getting hired as a HC in the NBA since then, and even had a two season stint that they weren't an NBA assistant.... I think we'd all riot. So we can attribute whatever we want to why Woodson was hired, but let's be crystal clear it was absolutely not what he has accomplished as a basketball coach that was the driving force of that decision. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: But he has no self-awareness. He just has to know he isn't the right guy for the job. He has to. He's also past retirement age. So go into Dolson's office and negotiate a retirement package. Bow out gracefully. Part of the reason the fans go nuts is we've seen time and time again that the administration simply can't or isn't willing to fix things themselves. Or they simply wait many years too long. Fans therefore feel they have to take matters into their own hands. Create such a toxic environment that he can't possibly succeed and force a firing. If the administration would simply go out and hire a big name coach this would all go away. ....this IS the overlying issue! He so wants to be the guy that bridged the gap between the old and the new as well as being a former Coach Knight stud bring relevance back to IU again. I know deep down inside this is what his dream is to do, but it is not going to happen, that ship has sailed...... It's been said over and over again, but this is truly a "dead man walking" situation if this ship isn't righted. JMO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 I may have dreamed this, but I could swear I heard Woodson say at the announcement presser that if he can't get us back to the top, you wouldn't have to fire him, he'd leave on his own. One can only wish.... I truly feel bad for him. Everybody who has had contact with him says he's a wonderful person. I have no doubt. But when you fail, you fail. And for all concerned (including yourself) you need to move on to something you're good at. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 37 minutes ago, RoadToZion said: This is going to get ugly. It was headed for that as soon as Dolson started looking at other options. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: ....this IS the overlying issue! He so wants to be the guy that bridged the gap between the old and the new as well as being a former Coach Knight stud bring relevance back to IU again. I know deep down inside this is what his dream is to do, but it is not going to happen, that ship has sailed...... It's been said over and over again, but this is truly a "dead man walking" situation if this ship isn't righted. JMO Never do business with friends or family. Shame on Quinn Bucker for putting everyone in this position. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 22 minutes ago, Maedhros said: Let's be clear. Wheaver his failings at Indiana, Mike Woodson is an accomplished man. He has spent a lifetime playing and coaching the game of basketball, with the relationships and reputation that develop from such a career. That, and his alumni status, are why he was hired at Indiana, not BLM or DEI. The fans using those terms as perjoratives are doing so only because of the color of his skin, and I find that far uglier than any number of basketball games Woodson could ever lose. There are still things Woodson has done, let's say.. things Woodson has worn... that have been extremely off-putting at alumni events. And I will leave it at that. I don't think he was hired because he's black, though, I think he was hired because we are dumb. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, btownqb said: There are still things Woodson has done, let's say.. things Woodson has worn... that have been extremely off-putting at alumni events. And I will leave it at that. I don't think he was hired because he's black, though, I think he was hired because we are dumb. ....we, meaning admin. lol I know what you mean C.😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, RoadToZion said: He's done NOTHING since he landed Mackenzie. Literally nothing. I thought that was the start of something special. Then he got lazy. Please step down. If he is planning on retiring why would they announce he will be back next year. I just think people are grasping at straws now 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Just now, IU Scott said: If he is planning on retiring why would they announce he will be back next year. I just think people are grasping at straws now It's pretty clear there's a lot going on and the McNeeley decommitment has caused some more concerns. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 4 hours ago, IUfaninIllinois said: I hope on Sunday when Woodson has the mic the fans boo him like crazy That is totally classless 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadToZion Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Why would IU have to even announce he’s coming back? To quiet down message board rumors? There’s clearly more going on. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: 🤡🤡🤡 I dislike his coaching but why should a coach talk to blogger boys about recruiting 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, btownqb said: There are still things Woodson has done, let's say.. things Woodson has worn... that have been extremely off-putting at alumni events. And I will leave it at that. I don't think he was hired because he's black, though, I think he was hired because we are dumb. I agree with that. He wasn't hired because he's black. He was hired because he's friends with Buckner. But yes Mike has been spotted with that Marxist black power fist logo on his shirt at many events. Rubs many the wrong way especially in regards to the double standard he supposedly put on Fife. Everyone is already aware of Mike Davis and Cora Breckenridge and why he was kept on past 2001. Or why Herbert made it hard to move on at the end. Or why Herbert denied Greenspan from hiring Beilein who was a top 5 coach and was literally a match made in heaven for IU and Beilein. Instead we had a shady coach with sanctions hanging over his head forced on us because our minority President insisted on a minority hire. And we now know for a fact that Buckner made the Woodson hire happen when no other program would've given him a look. Likely had nothing to do with race but people connect those dots. Buckner supposedly also absolutely hates Steve Alford who was the only IU guy remotely qualified. Why does he hate Alford but love Woody? It is what it is. The administration got us into this dumpster fire and they'll have to find a way out. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Just now, RoadToZion said: Why would IU have to even announce he’s coming back? To quiet down message board rumors? There’s clearly more going on. Trilly has been asked multiple times to explain what happened on Wednesday and he continues to ignore it after he said he would tell everyone. Typically if Trilly knows something he's not afraid to say it. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, RoadToZion said: Why would IU have to even announce he’s coming back? To quiet down message board rumors? There’s clearly more going on. My total guess is, Liam used the coaching change rumors as a reason to get out of his LOI. Coaching staff tells the administration about it. Administration had no intention of changing coaches, so they release that in an attempt to keep McNeely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BankShot Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Attention PhD candidates...need a thesis topic or a gold medal case study in failed leadership, organizational management disasters, or how to ruin a good organization through malignant ineptitude? Take a look at Indiana University's senior leadership failures and fiascos. (sorry its come to this, and I'm a two-time alum, but Good Lord our administration looks fatally and crippingly incompetent, again. Or is it "still"?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUProfessor Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Just now, DC2345 said: Trilly has been asked multiple times to explain what happened on Wednesday and he continues to ignore it after he said he would tell everyone. Typically if Trilly knows something he's not afraid to say it. So I wonder if we interpret that to mean he doesn't know, or that he knows but can't disclose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 I am surprised that about the only person I'm the media who is backing Woodson is DD. He was ripping the media for trying ask questions about Liam because no coach will tell reporters what actually happened. He was making fun of Liam and the pictures of him in his candy stripes and the call me signal. He wants IU to get away from soft players and bring actual tough guys in and be men I stead of little kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC2345 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Just now, ephul said: My total guess is, Liam used the coaching change rumors as a reason to get out of his LOI. Coaching staff tells the administration about it. Administration had no intention of changing coaches, so they release that in an attempt to keep McNeely. No, he just wants out because he has concerns with Woodson. Woodson hasn't been communicating with him since he signed. Plus he doesn't trust Woodson's offense. NLI's don't really mean anything anymore. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, IUProfessor said: So I wonder if we interpret that to mean he doesn't know, or that he knows but can't disclose? He said he was getting some responses but hasn't elaborated. I truly believe people got told to stop talking. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDPU95 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, RoadToZion said: Why would IU have to even announce he’s coming back? To quiet down message board rumors? There’s clearly more going on. But did IU announce it? I would expect that statement to come form the AD. I don't recall any specifics as to who these "sources" are. I totally could have missed it though. Is so, my apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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