milehiiu Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 Here's how long it takes college basketball coaches to win their first NCAA Tournament championship - CBSSports.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 With the lone exception of Tx Western, (1966) all the national champs are from top tier schools. I'd be more interested to see the stats on how long it took a coach to win a championship AFTER he arrived at one of the top tier schools, instead of how many years he's been a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 First we have to play sports again.Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, DWB said: With the lone exception of Tx Western, (1966) all the national champs are from top tier schools. I'd be more interested to see the stats on how long it took a coach to win a championship AFTER he arrived at one of the top tier schools, instead of how many years he's been a head coach. I agree. The article is of interest but it shows, as an example , that it took Calhoun 27 years to win a natty. Looking under the hood, however, he spent the first 14 years at Northeastern (not a shocker he did not win there) and then he was hired at UConn in ‘86 when UCONN had not been as far as the Elite 8 since 1964. It’s hard to judge the time needed for a coach to win it all without the context of knowing the opportunities the coaches had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mike said: First we have to play sports again.Maybe. https://gamerone.gg/top-esports-coaches-to-follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, DWB said: With the lone exception of Tx Western, (1966) all the national champs are from top tier schools. I'd be more interested to see the stats on how long it took a coach to win a championship AFTER he arrived at one of the top tier schools, instead of how many years he's been a head coach. I looked some of the coaches up to see how long it took them at their school that they won their first championship. Wooden- 16th season RMK- 5th Smith- 21st Boheim- 28th Coach K- 11th Calhoun- 11th Williams at KU 0 in 15 years, at UNC 2nd Self- 5th Pitino- UK 7th, UL 8th(vacated) Calapari- 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 Thanks guys for participating in this thread, during the pandemic. Mention was made of Texas Western,by DWB, And I can't help but say that National Championship team had two players from Gary, Indiana. Both of which I watched play in high school. Plus a movie was made about their season and championship. Glory Road OK..... now back to our regularly scheduled thread topic, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: I looked some of the coaches up to see how long it took them at their school that they won their first championship. Wooden- 16th season RMK- 5th Smith- 21st Boheim- 28th Coach K- 11th Calhoun- 11th Williams at KU 0 in 15 years, at UNC 2nd Self- 5th Pitino- UK 7th, UL 8th(vacated) Calapari- 3rd Why no Purdue coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Why no Purdue coaches? I forgot about the Helms trophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 9 hours ago, IU Scott said: I forgot about the Helms trophy In the interest of fairness, it did take Ward "Piggy" Lambert 16 years to capture the coveted Helms Banner for the Boilerbubbers...😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 And as far as the original question goes, I think contending for a National Championship should be the barometer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 If we’re consistently making deep runs into the NCAA tournament, I don’t care how long it takes. I mean what, are you going to fire a coach who doesn’t win a N.C. but is consistently over time in the Final Four/Elite 8? The reality is that there aren’t many coaches who can do that with any sort of regularity and you’d be an idiot to fire one for not winning the big one because it would almost guarantee a step down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 Here's all I ask. Is that IU is consistently in play to win Big 10. We do that part....F4's and titles will take care of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: In the interest of fairness, it did take Ward "Piggy" Lambert 16 years to capture the coveted Helms Banner for the Boilerbubbers...😁 In fairness to Coach Lanmbert, as well. He took two years off to serve in the U.S. Army, during WWI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 59 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: Here's all I ask. Is that IU is consistently in play to win Big 10. We do that part....F4's and titles will take care of itself. Completely agree. Been saying this for 10+ years on HSN, compete consistently for Big Ten 10 titles, winning your fair share, and the rest will take care of itself over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, BGleas said: Completely agree. Been saying this for 10+ years on HSN, compete consistently for Big Ten 10 titles, winning your fair share, and the rest will take care of itself over time. I despise using Wisconsin as an example but I will. Bo consistently had them in top 3 every single year and it delivered Final Four's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I despise using Wisconsin as an example but I will. Bo consistently had them in top 3 every single year and it delivered Final Four's. Yup, and could say the same for Izzo, Matta (though he might have just gone to 1 Final Four), Beilein, Tony Bennett, Roy Williams pre his first title, etc., etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 I’m not going to be upset with Archie and we haven’t won a championship in even 10 years if we are at least in the mix every year. The reason why Duke has been so successful is because in the last 30 years they have had enough talent to win it probably 27 of those years. The key is to be in the mix every year. And it will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted May 31, 2020 Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 The goal is to win banners, but it isn't the criteria for success. Hopefully our stretch of mediocrity has taught us that once we get the coach/teams that can compete for championships on a regular basis, we are "there". Winning it all takes a lot of things going right - and luck does play into it (getting the right opponents in the tourney or peaking and avoiding injuries in March). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 Seeds definitely matters, most of those are 1 or 2 seeds with a smattering of 3 thru 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadOne Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 9:30 AM, Zuckerkorn said: The goal is to win banners, but it isn't the criteria for success. Hopefully our stretch of mediocrity has taught us that once we get the coach/teams that can compete for championships on a regular basis, we are "there". Winning it all takes a lot of things going right - and luck does play into it (getting the right opponents in the tourney or peaking and avoiding injuries in March). "Luck is what happens when opportunity meets preparation" - always one of my favorite sports quotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted June 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 One of the most confounding things to me has been how Mike Davis made it to a final game. Don't get me wrong. I wanted to see him pull it off. However. So much comes into play, IMHO to get to a final game... and win it all. Seeding. And who goes down before you. Sometimes. It's not a question of how good of coach you are. But simply luck. And a roll of the dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, milehiiu said: One of the most confounding things to me has been how Mike Davis made it to a final game. Don't get me wrong. I wanted to see him pull it off. However. So much comes into play, IMHO to get to a final game... and win it all. Seeding. And who goes down before you. Sometimes. It's not a question of how good of coach you are. But simply luck. And a roll of the dice. It helped that USC lost in the first round and hot to play a 10 seed in the elite 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 If I was promised that 12 years from now we hang a banner with Archie, no matter what, I'd enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Its all about seeding and luck. If you can consistently be in the top 3 seeds in the tourney and pull a little luck, you're going to have a shot a NC That requires IU to be in the top3 of the B1G every year AND have a solid to tough Non-Con schedule. Can't have a 200 level Non-Con and expect to get a top seed We need a better balance of both. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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