bluegrassIU Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 Any word or rumor on his future? I would really like to keep him. He has great experience and from all I have heard, the players really relate to him. Seems oddly quiet about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierfan1901 Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 I think he stays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 Since they kept him on do they need to state he is coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted April 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Since they kept him on do they need to state he is coming back. Have they officially kept him on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, bluegrassIU said: Have they officially kept him on? No just saying he was kept after firing Archie. So if they plan for him to stay would they need to announce it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippopotamo Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, IU Scott said: No just saying he was kept after firing Archie. So if they plan for him to stay would they need to announce it. They announced it for Kenya Hunter so I imagine it would at least be a news article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted April 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said: They announced it for Kenya Hunter so I imagine it would at least be a news article. Yeah, kinda what made me wonder. No word on Roberts or Marshall. Only word on Hunter and new arrivals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Madison22 Posted April 5, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays. There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players. I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself. He was not impressed: "There are a lot of things wrong here. Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press. Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell. (Incorrect lifting form) leads to injury." Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL. Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%. 237th in 3-point shooting. 191st in scoring. Maybe a football trainer whose bio brags about sending guys to the NFL and who followed Archie from Dayton isn't the best person for our basketball team. Or maybe he is. I'm sure the new staff will sort it out. In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are. Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats. Let's work on that. Go IU! Edited April 6, 2021 by Madison22 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, Madison22 said: . These all lead to poor form and injury." . In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are. Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats. Let's work on that. Go IU! I agree on the let's work on shooting, but Clif has nothing to do with that! Second unlike, the S&C coaches under Crean where we seemed to have several stress injuries I can't point to an injury I would attest to coach Marshal's training! Concussions, whatever medical condition Jerome had, had nothing to do with coach Marshall! I also agree no more videos of Justin Smith havinga 48" vertical, but on the other hand that is coach Marshall's job, creating elite athletes! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Drroogh said: I agree on the let's work on shooting, but Clif has nothing to do with that! Second unlike, the S&C coaches under Crean where we seemed to have several stress injuries I can't point to an injury I would attest to coach Marshal's training! Concussions, whatever medical condition Jerome had, had nothing to do with coach Marshall! I also agree no more videos of Justin Smith havinga 48" vertical, but on the other hand that is coach Marshall's job, creating elite athletes! Crean had a lot of ankle, foot, and lower leg injuries that were associated with the sand pit. Miller/Marshal had 3 back injuries and a lower abdominal injury in just a span of 3-4 years. I'm not sure how they occurred, other than they weren't during games, but those types of injuries are often associated with lifting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted April 6, 2021 Report Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Madison22 said: I'm not so much against him, as I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays. There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players. I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself. He was not impressed: "There are a lot of things wrong here. Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press. Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell. These all lead to poor form and injury." Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL. Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%. 237th in 3-point shooting. 191st in scoring. After 4 years, that needs to be questioned by someone. In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are. Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats. Let's work on that. Go IU! Clif should be questioned for why our guys can’t shoot? Really? Who was on our roster this year that came to IU a lethal shooter and likely lost their shot because of weight training? Shooters are made in the gym, not the weight room. From my understanding, he’s been offered the opportunity to keep his job by Woodson. Hasn’t decided if he’s staying or not. Edited April 6, 2021 by kyhoosier29 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted April 6, 2021 Report Share Posted April 6, 2021 10 hours ago, go_iu_bb said: Crean had a lot of ankle, foot, and lower leg injuries that were associated with the sand pit. Miller/Marshal had 3 back injuries and a lower abdominal injury in just a span of 3-4 years. I'm not sure how they occurred, other than they weren't during games, but those types of injuries are often associated with lifting. Archie had a lot of Ankles to under Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 6:14 PM, Madison22 said: I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays. There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players. I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself. He was not impressed: "There are a lot of things wrong here. Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press. Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell. (Incorrect lifting form) leads to injury." Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL. Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%. 237th in 3-point shooting. 191st in scoring. Maybe a football trainer whose bio brags about sending guys to the NFL and who followed Archie from Dayton isn't the best person for our basketball team. Or maybe he is. I'm sure the new staff will sort it out. In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are. Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats. Let's work on that. Go IU! IU has had a lot of guys with back and/or lifting injuries: Rob, Galloway, Brunk, Romeo (in addition to the thumb). So I hope they do investigate him some as to why everyone is getting similar injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 7:14 PM, Madison22 said: I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays. There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players. I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself. He was not impressed: "There are a lot of things wrong here. Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press. Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell. (Incorrect lifting form) leads to injury." Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL. Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%. 237th in 3-point shooting. 191st in scoring. Maybe a football trainer whose bio brags about sending guys to the NFL and who followed Archie from Dayton isn't the best person for our basketball team. Or maybe he is. I'm sure the new staff will sort it out. In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are. Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats. Let's work on that. Go IU! Is it Clif??? Is it the kids fault?? Is it Archie?? Hard to say for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: IU has had a lot of guys with back and/or lifting injuries: Rob, Galloway, Brunk, Romeo (in addition to the thumb). So I hope they do investigate him some as to why everyone is getting similar injuries. Probably because those guys weren't taught properly in HS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 7:14 PM, Madison22 said: I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays. There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players. I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself. He was not impressed: "There are a lot of things wrong here. Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press. Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell. (Incorrect lifting form) leads to injury." Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL. Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%. 237th in 3-point shooting. 191st in scoring. Maybe a football trainer whose bio brags about sending guys to the NFL and who followed Archie from Dayton isn't the best person for our basketball team. Or maybe he is. I'm sure the new staff will sort it out. In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are. Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats. Let's work on that. Go IU! Straining to lift? I've never seen this used as a negative in my entire life. I've spent 18 years in a weight room. Absolutely not his job to teach them to lift. The stronger team one on Monday, the stronger team dominated on Monday. It's 2021 no one should be devaluing weight room work.. it is as essential as their work is on the court. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Straining to lift? I've never seen this used as a negative in my entire life. I've spent 18 years in a weight room. Absolutely not his job to teach them to lift. The stronger team one on Monday, the stronger team dominated on Monday. It's 2021 no one should be devaluing weight room work.. it is as essential as their work is on the court. i agree other than it is his job to teach them to lift correctly if they aren't doing it right. he's the expert. most high school coaches are not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: i agree other than it is his job to teach them to lift correctly if they aren't doing it right. he's the expert. most high school coaches are not. I agree... but he can't control them.. is what I meant. Conceivable they (19 year olds not accustomed to the weight room) messed up. I can guarantee you no strength coach is pushing his dudes to the point there are back injuries that could have been avoided. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDom Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, btownqb said: Straining to lift? I've never seen this used as a negative in my entire life. I've spent 18 years in a weight room. Absolutely not his job to teach them to lift. The stronger team one on Monday, the stronger team dominated on Monday. It's 2021 no one should be devaluing weight room work.. it is as essential as their work is on the court. I don't understand. To me, that is his exact job description. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, HoosierDom said: I don't understand. To me, that is his exact job description. Does Woodson teach them to dribble? It's the same concept. He should be teaching them ways to gain muscle in the right area, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDom Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, btownqb said: Does Woodson teach them to dribble? It's the same concept. He should be teaching them ways to gain muscle in the right area, etc. Hmmm. Are those ways not properly executed lifts? How is he teaching them if not "teaching them to lift". If his job is to just pick some exercises for them to do, then I think he should have a part time job, or even be replaced my a magazine subscription. If his job is to make sure kids are doing things the right way, then he is valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, btownqb said: Does Woodson teach them to dribble? It's the same concept. He should be teaching them ways to gain muscle in the right area, etc. Yes, if Woody recruited guys and they didn't know how to dribble, it would be his job to teach them how to dribble. If they recruit guys that can't shoot, you teach them how to shoot. So if you don't know how to lift, you allow them to lift and hurt themselves? That sounds like a terrible strength and conditioning coach. Maybe these guys have never lifted in their life:"yeah just go lift, if you don't know how, sorry, try not to hurt yourself." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: IU has had a lot of guys with back and/or lifting injuries: Rob, Galloway, Brunk, Romeo (in addition to the thumb). So I hope they do investigate him some as to why everyone is getting similar injuries. Just so I'm understanding.....when were any of the injuries to our guys weight room/lifting injuries. This is the first I've heard...because concussions and the core/back issues that I've seen on the team none were attributed to specifically lifting injuries. If they were I'm 100% agree to move on....but this is the first I've heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, dgambill said: Just so I'm understanding.....when were any of the injuries to our guys weight room/lifting injuries. This is the first I've heard...because concussions and the core/back issues that I've seen on the team none were attributed to specifically lifting injuries. If they were I'm 100% agree to move on....but this is the first I've heard. I am just putting two and two together and heard Rob did have an injury from lifting. Could be wrong. Just putting this out there based on the other posters friend saying there was bad technique in the video + recent back injuries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted April 7, 2021 Report Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, HoosierDom said: Hmmm. Are those ways not properly executed lifts? How is he teaching them if not "teaching them to lift". If his job is to just pick some exercises for them to do, then I think he should have a part time job, or even be replaced my a magazine subscription. If his job is to make sure kids are doing things the right way, then he is valuable. You may be partially correct, but every kid has to be disciplined enough when they are not being watched to lift correctly. Do you think the whole team and Cliff stand around watching one person lift at a time? A lot of self discipline that goes into lifting. Not only doing it right when nobody is watching, but also not trying to lift too much. On top of that, eating poorly can negatively affect your body as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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