Bushmage

Just now, Seeking6 said:

This is your 45 second after a game comment? Personal issue with Yas? Be thankful for the win as a Hoosier fan and move  along right?

Absolutely. I get he's filling unfamiliar shoes but that was one of the most unprepared performances I've ever seen. With frustratingly obvious holes that we could simply fix with better rotations and knowing Trayce needs to touch the ball on offense.

He was horrible. We almost lost to a team with 6 scholarship players on an already bad team. I'm obviously thankful for a win but that was inexcusably bad.

WIthout hyperbole, that was the worst coached Indiana Hoosiers basketball game I have ever watched in my life. Unexplainable disappearances for Geronimo and Malik. Keeping Race in despite him being absolutely horrendous. Forgetting we have a NPOY candidate big man for large stretches of the game. I could go on forever.

We won despite Yasir Rosemond. He should never coach a basketball game again in his life.

They are letting Race play because his family’s there and it’s honestly such a losing move. This coaching staff should never be a head coach in any capacity

This is one of the worst coaching performances I have ever seen in college basketball

Back to back 5 point games from Miller “Give me your address” Kopp

1 hour ago, go_iu_bb said:

The university is not paying the NIL money so they are no closer to being university employees than they were before NIL. People/companies paying NIL money are capable of putting behavior clauses into the contracts if they want to.

But the university helps manage what NIL deals come through plus there’s no NIL deal if you’re not enrolled at the school playing for their program. It’s an interesting space

and to be clear i dont support harassing players on social media but this was a completely harmless (and recently appropriate) MEME that didnt specifically call anyone out. its absolutely hilarious how easy it is to break these kids.

let them post all they want. this season is largely over through injuries anyway, but it would be nice to let the losers expose themselves for their complete lack of mental fortitude on their way out. miller kopp scored 5 points against his former team at home as an upperclass starter and then goes and posts a "you wouldnt say that to me in real life!!" type comment lmao. nobody should remember this kid fondly.

Schifino is better than any freshman IU has had in a long time.

1 minute ago, KoB2011 said:

Do you actually think he will be convicted with a felony?

Do you think breaking a curfew rule the night before a game is the same as doing something that’s probably not even directly addressed in team rules in the off season?

Context matters a lot. 

The context I have is that in one scenario a player misses a curfew and in the other the same player has a felony on the table. Of course I don't think he's going to be convicted of the felony. It doesn't mean he didn't do exactly what we're told he did. Negotiating it down to a misdemeanor will be a part of his court process. I have no control or relevance to how the court handles this. What I do know is we set an extremely high standard for players to follow, everyone celebrated the punishments handed out when a rule was broken because mike "took charge", and now that something legitimately serious is on the table everyone seems to be wishy washy on what to do.

Xavier has to be kicked off the team or significantly suspended, or we have to admit morals and rules don't actually mean anything as they are handed out on a case by case basis dependent upon how much we can afford to actually give up. To reiterate, I don't want him kicked off the team. I just also don't want to hear about how moral and righteous we are either. We seem to hear a lot of that when the stakes are low, and not so much now.

Just now, KoB2011 said:

The same thing would’ve been true if he was going 40. He didn’t hit anyone though or even come close as far as we know.

Do any of the people that think he should definitely be gone think Bohannon should have been at Iowa last season? You know, for actually committing a violent crime instead of doing something that could’ve had violent consequences?

40 in a 30 is no longer felony reckless driving. So you're describing an entirely different situation with the law now.

9 minutes ago, FKIM01 said:

So...what if he gets, say, 3 games?  I dunno.  No idea what he'll be subject to in the off season either.  Maybe he gets no games, but has a lot of off-season work instead?

Honestly, I'd be very surprised if the sum total of his punishment here is a 1-game suspension.

We'll see. If he had a lot of off season work that coupled with a suspension I'm fine with that. But my point remains if we are giving 1 game suspensions for missing curfew then I dont see how we ever have anything less than zero tolerance for felonies. We used to kick people out for weed, right? If X comes back in any fashion, we are clearly just guessing what punishments should be each and every time. Which, again, is fine. But for the love of God spare me the talk about morals and doing whats right. It's not the first priority at IU, it shouldnt be the first priority, and we should collectively stop pretending it matters to anyone.

I wouldnt be fired up about this much at all if we hadnt created such a show over a curfew. Be consistent or spare us the morals.

Just now, FKIM01 said:

I don't see the conflict?  We don't know what X's punishment is and we may never know depending on what it is, but I don't see why we are forced to leap from a 1-game suspension to being kicked off the team?  I'm all for discipline in both cases, but I don't know nearly enough to pass judgment on what the discipline should be here.  I don't know enough about the Chicago incident to say whether the punishment there was just either.  I'm all for Woodson running a tight ship and doling out the punishments that he sees as appropriate.  If he kicks X off the team here, I have to assume that it's just.  I don't see why we need to automatically make that leap yet though.

Missing curfew and felony reckless driving should not, in any scenario, have the same degree of punishment. If he gets a 1 game suspension over this I never wanna hear about morals at IU ever again lol.

3 minutes ago, FKIM01 said:

If I pick up a gun carelessly and blow a hole in my kitchen floor am I to be charged with manslaughter because a child could have been crawling there?  This is a serious lapse in judgment, but I don't think we can start operating in hypotheticals like that.  None of us would be safe if that were the case.

I mean, you'd get a negligent discharge case and would absolutely be in trouble for that if the authorities found you. And that's also inside your own home, X was out in public on the streets where other people are entitled to be. This isn't just arguing hypotheticals, its examining the risks involved that made his actions illegal in the first place.

12 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said:

I’ve done 90 mph on the interstate before, but that’s the only place. To answer your question, I grew up in Central KY unfortunately and didn’t go to IU so I’m not familiar with Walnut. 

walnut is a tight, very urban street that people are crossing constantly. We should not have to "speculate" on if anyone could have been hurt or we should treat this different because nobody was hurt. The fact is he is very lucky he didnt instantly kill someone, and just because he didnt doesnt mean a thing to me.

Again, I dont want him off the team and I ultimately dont care about this as it relates to the program. But I want this to be the wakeup call to all the people who loved the curfew suspensions and mike "taking the program reins back" that at the end of the day college sports is as moral as they can afford to be in any given situation without sacricifing anything that gets them closer to winning, and we should stop pretending we actually care too. 

I also don't know why there is such a mystique around what actually happened. There is a fear to say whether or not he put lives in danger and we dont know what happened.

Have you ever done 90mph? Ever seen walnut? I dont need to know the rest of the details at this point. And I can very much make a comment on it like anybody else can.

The real answer needed is should we care. I say no, because deep down we all really don't. He's here to compete and win for us and his personal life is not our concern. He has fine parents and if he's not listening to them then he will have to learn on his own what its like to fail yourself.

It's not our job as a basketball program to make sure X understands reckless driving is bad. Since we made such a grandstanding over curfew, I do feel like we've cornered ourselves into a position where if we want to have any sort of moral consistency then X must leave the program. But, the fact is he's a key player for us and we need him, and so we all know that isn't going to happen. If it did, I'd actually be impressed we kept that kind of consistency. But if/when we don't, we should all just drop the charade of caring about morals in college sports. Because this is a pretty obvious example of bending the framework to fit what we want most.

1 hour ago, iuthruandthru said:

The thing is with this happening outside of the season he can be punished without being suspended.  There is plenty of time and things coach and IU can ask him to do that will be a lot harder than just being suspended for a few games.  Suspension would be easy. Instead as so many have suggested let’s get him in front of kids and have him talk about what he did and why it was so dumb.  Have him earn his time back on the practice court and for games doing community service.  Have him meet with families that have lost loved ones in major accidents that could have been avoided.  So many harder things can be done here that should make XJ better for it.

I agree with most of this actually. I'm just pretty annoyed all the morally righteous people who blanketly accepted a suspension over a curfew are now finding ways to defend X and treat this as something to work through and fix.

You aren't doing that, of course. I'm not saying its you. But it feels like a lot of people were very happy with the precedent we set on breaking rules a couple months ago. Now that a felony is on the table and we could lose (and should lose, based on our own 'standards' we proudly demonstrated in the year) a key player for next year it seems like the righteousness has faded a little bit.

Almost like we should never pretend to have this morality about college sports in the first place.

If X isn’t at the very least suspended for a significant amount of time then I never want to hear support for throwing away a conference game over a missed curfew. We set a pretty strict precedent with rule breaking and now a felony is on the table. Let’s see them walk the walk now. 

I will be golfing at the peegs outing if any of this needs to be settled in who can slice the hardest

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

So, what would take to convince you Dane did this stuff? Like... for you to be able to confidently say, yes Dane did that. 

Nothing. I dont know any of these people. When someone is fired for a personal fit theres the programs truth Danes truth and the actual truth. We cant know what actually happened because we werent there. Thats why i repeat so much that letting any of this out was a mistake.

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I listed like 10 incidents with Dane. 

And again you would understand why I have to take it with a grain of salt. This isnt a fair way of assessing someone else's job.

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Man... there is so much info out there that isn't peegs. The same guys that told me about Brunk, Romeo, and a few others... he has mentioned even more crap that Fife did. 

The recruiting stuff last summer really got this all going. I wouldn't speak this confidently if it weren't for information being relayed. 

I can't more plainly tell you..Dane really messed up. I agree, its really hard to believe an IU guy could do all that. I'm sure Woodson thought the same. 

You have to understand I can only trust info like this so far. If you know, then I guess you know. The rest of us...dont. I'm not even sure what you're alluding to when you say stuff like this.

9 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I absolutely do not enjoy it. He was one of my favorites. I have mentioned that. 

I'm confused why you aren't 90% mad at him and 10% at IU. Thats honestly where I'm coming from. 

He shouldn't have been hired to begin with, especially not by our AD. 

problem is we just cant definitively say who deserves what %. Did mike sour this relationship and we're getting secondhand info to better deflect this onto Dane? Is Dane really that much of an asshole? You speak pretty confidently about this but we're just two dudes bored on a message board.

All I know concretely about Dane is he's been a good coach in his career and many people respect him a great deal. I'm disappointed in him for sure because he obviously did SOMETHING, but i should never even have a clue what that was when its a personal fit. It's just not our business and it feels like the program kinda made it our business so we could all corral into the camp that Dane is for sure the problem. I'm not sold on that this early into the CMW era.

I understand Peegs came out with the info we all read but at the end of the day I'm holding IU responsible for that kind of leak. That's not acceptable. And what we can 100% blame IU for is clarifying how he doesnt fit issue because thats on Mike. That was not necessary whatsoever. Let him go and move on. We dont need the details and usually never get them otherwise. Only reason I see us getting it now is so they get out ahead of the news to look better. Not a fan.

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Dane on the court, sure. Not off. 

Even if 100% of everything in this thread about Dane was true I would still not sit here and tell you he deserved to have this aired to the public and his name be dragged. I think you disagree and enjoy seeing this happen to him. Do you.