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I just looked at the boxscores for the FGCU, Morehead St and Wright State games. In each of those games we had 4 starters play 30+.
The idea that those games were closer because Woodson took his foot off the gas and didn't want to run up the scores is just not reality.
They were close because we weren't good.
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1 minute ago, Seeking6 said:All the respect in the world. I just disagree but you already know that. Coach Woodson will learn...he was trying to develop players in November and December against lesser teams. Unfortunately he has to keep his starters in (and worry about the folks that complain about dead legs come March) and run up the score.
I get it. So do you. I also think the not every win/loss stuff is a phrase that fits a position to justify the metrics. Again...I get it. Just don't agree.
Just glad to see the Hoosiers get a W again. Hopefully everyone is happy with that.
But we weren't blowing those teams out with our starters in. It doesn't make any sense.
We HAD to keep our starters in just to win those games. It wasn't like Woodson kept those game close on purpose and we easily could have blow Army out.
We just weren't good. The metrics don't like IU because IU wasn't good.
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5 minutes ago, Maedhros said:
NET should only ever matter when it comes to the ranking of a team's opponents, not of the team itself. NET has shown to be heavily reliant on efficiency metrics, but those are predictive, not descriptive. A team's own ranking in the NET tells you nothing about who they played, who they beat, or who didn't. Too many analysts, and fans too, are using NET interchangeably with an S-curve, and that's not at all how the tool should be used.
MSU has a quality win against Baylor that we don't have, and that's really the only thing that should have them in the field ahead of us. By Wins Above Bubble they rank 60. We rank 61.
Great post! Yes, while our records are similar to MSU within the Quad 1/2 ranges, who each of us beat and lost too isn't the same.
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Yikes!
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3 minutes ago, Hoosier4Life53 said:
We might have an outside chance for the tournament, if we win three in the BTT, and get to the championship game. We’d finish 21-14 and that just might do it (wishful thinking)….at worst, we’re definitely in the NIT.
I dont think it's really possible, but for discussion sake it would probably require one of those wins to be against Purdue.
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Just now, Seeking6 said:
Which shows how easy the numbers can be manipulated.
Of course there are other threads for that. Really good win Hoosiers!
The numbers weren't manipulated negatively with IU though. We simply weren't good.
We didn't take care of our own business. Barely beat terrible teams and blown out by good ones.
Not every win/loss is created equal.
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Just now, dgambill said:
Ware is nba bound.
Throw the entire NIL war chest at him! He gone though.
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XJ 🤦♂️
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Just now, madmax said:
Even if we are awful next year, I am genuinely excited to not watch X next year.
The only thing more completely mind-boggling than XJ's play is the belief Woodson has in him.
That's literally one of the most concerning things.
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1 minute ago, Indykev said:
who else do you play?
Throw CJ Gunn out there for 20 minutes. Tell him he's not coming out and has a James Harden green light 🤣
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1 hour ago, jojo123 said:
Nope. Got warned for dogging Turdue.
if you offend some people on a supposed IU board by offending Purdue. Something’s wrong. But it doesn’t surprise me.
Your warning had nothing to do with dogging Purdue.
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^^^^ nah, Duke is good. Bad fans only negatively impact IU. Nowhere else.
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College basketball is ridiculous with all of these reviews. For like the last minute of this UNC-Duke game anytime anyone makes a shot the refs immediately blow the whistle and run to the monitor to check the clock, check the shooters feet (even though they were clearly behind the 3pt line), etc.
We don't care for 38 minutes and then the last two we just murder the flow of the game every chance we get.
So annoying.
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1 minute ago, dgambill said:
Maybe bring in Luke Brown….everything comes full circle.
Grant Gelon is probably still kicking around at some NAIA school or something, right?
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15 minutes ago, Inequality said:
Love to have a kid like Kentuckys Sheppard.
Sheppard, Knect, Dillingham, Zeigler, tons of guys in this game that would be great to have.
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4 minutes ago, iuthruandthru said:
I disagree as well. I have many contacts in business and family across the country and visit places with my IU gear on. No one has ever said anything about IU fans. If anything they feel sad for us based off our history. Most of the fans aren’t on the internet or message boards. It’s a few bad eggs and most people have no idea they exist.
Same. I've lived on the east coast in different states for 30+ years. I've never once had a reaction from friends, co-workers or whatever when it comes to IU other than, "what is wrong with that program. Are they ever going to get it together. It's a sleeping giant."
I've never had anyone ask me about the fans being crazy or toxic. Only how great IU fans are.
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Just now, IU Scott said:
I agree but I watch national podcasts and this is our reputation like it or not. I don't always agree with their takes but it is how they see us.
Agree to disagree. Completely fine.
If that is the reputation, then shame on IU and the IU media for letting that be the narrative as opposed to all of the numerous things (and it's a long list) that make the IU fan base one of the best in the country.
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1 minute ago, IU Scott said:I just think we are to close to the situation and can't see the Forrest because of the trees. If course we don't see it as a problem because no one really wants to look in the mirror to see there are problems. Do I think the fans is the major reason we are at this point if course not. I also can see we are part of the problem as well. You say the fans are always here and support the team which I agree with.
People outside sees how we've had 5 AD's, 6 coaches, 4 presidents and many different guys in administration since RMK left. They see that the fans are the only constant so they think we are part of the reason we are where we are at. They think the reason that we have had problems getting top coaches is because of the fans. Why would they leave their current job where they have job security to come here.
The bolded isn't because of the fans. The bolded is because IU's athletic department and hierarchical structure is extremely poorly run.
Maybe the fans should just go away and then we can see what that does? Literally turn this into Minnesota basketball.
Let's have a half-empty Assembly Hall all year.
The fans weren't a problem when they packed Assembly Hall in 2008-09 to watch a team of baseball players and walk-ons. Think that happens at Clemson?
Think a freshmen averaging 2ppg is going to lead in NIL apparel sales at Ole Miss?
IU has some crazy, bad fans. No doubt, and no argument from me on that.
But, so does Duke, UNC, Kansas, UK, Michigan, Louisville, Alabama, etc., etc.
This is not even remotely unique to IU. The difference is that IU's athletic department has been a joke.
Fix the admin, hire a real, accomplished college basketball coach, and the fans aren't a problem. I'd also argue that IU's fans are the biggest reason the fix can actually be really easy and simple.
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1 minute ago, IU Scott said:
I agree but like it or not that is the reputation we have outside of our fan base. Sometimes perception becomes reality. Also when you are losing all the other coaches will use this in recruiting. Besides UK fans you never see anything nationally about other fan bases being lunatics.
I'm not sure that's really the reputation, but even if that's accurate the reason you hear about all still ties back to the ineptitude of IU's administration.
Fans wouldn't be so crazy if IU acted like a real, elite basketball program. The fans are the only thing keeping IU even remotely close to relevancy.
Someone else said it, but without the fans IU is Minnesota. IU is Clemson. IU is Washington.
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2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:
The problem is the extreme fans who are being vocal is what makes our reputation. Also the ones that goes after the coach personally and go after their families is where I would draw the line. I find nothing wrong critiquing his coaching and wanting a new coach.
Agree to a large extent. Tweeting at recruits, family members, coaches, etc, should be completely out of bounds and off limits.
There's no reason to get personal with players, coaches, recruits, etc. Completely agree and I don't and never have supported that.
My point is, IU as a fanbase is no worse than Duke, UNC, Kansas, Michigan, OSU, etc., etc. The difference is IU's program has been a joke and completely mismanaged for 30 years.
The fans are the symptom. Fixing IU's broken administration and approach to building a basketball program is preventing the disease.
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Right, but the difference is the wins and losses within those different quads. Not every Quad 1 or Quad 2 win in the same, and beyond the efficiency metrics, those wins and losses with the Quad ranges are also a separator.