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Just now, IndyResident16 said:

The specific poster I responded too has been on record saying Woodson deserves and earned a 4th year. I know your stance and why I didn’t reply to you specifically.

Ok. You quoted me saying, "yet you're on record saying he's earned a 4th year.", so I thought you were saying that about me?

19 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Yet you’re on record multiple times saying that Woodson has “earned” a 4th year??

I'm also on record in those same exact posts saying he shouldn't get a 4th year, and that deserving it is irrelevant to the decision the powers that be need to make. 

Deserving it and thinking he should get it are not the same thing. 

I've said numerous times that I think a change should happen this offseason. 

5 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

Good points. 

An interesting hypothetical question though…

IF there is a coaching change, what does he do with Malik? It’d be very interesting how the whole situation would play out.

If I was taking over this program, I'd have to think long and hard about whether I'd want to keep Reneau. 

Again, a great kid and immensely talented offensively, just not sure I can win with him. 

6 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

This is something I struggle with. I LOVE Malik and his development from last year to this year is really good...but I also hesitate with him because with him in the lineup it forces a few things. I'll also add that yesterday I think Galloway called a timeout in frustration because MM and KW still weren't in the right spots....and we're approaching March. 

That whole area is clogged. 

Yeah, Reneau is just a tough case. Like you said, he has improved so much, and he's incredibly skilled offensively. 

I just don't know how you win with him? He's not a good enough rebounder or defender to be a 5 all season, especially in the Big Ten. 

But he's also a really bad fit at the 4 in a 2-big lineup in the modern basketball, and is also a liability as a rebounder and defensive player at the 4. 

While being extremely skilled offensively, at the 4 he clogs the land, and in general he forces a lot of shots and isn't a willing passer. 

Again, he seems like a phenomenal person and has a ton of skill, just not sure you can win with him long term. 

1 minute ago, Drroogh said:

Kind of the opposite of Catlin Clark and her coach jawing at the refs almost every play and nothing happens?

Definitely interesting how refs seems to pick and choose who gets certain treatment. 

4 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

I admittedly drank the kool-aid on the whole idea that Mgbako could be a 3. He’s improved a lot this year, but he’s being forced to defend on the perimeter more, and that’s not where he’s comfortable. If his defensive assignments were opposing 4’s I think he’d be in foul trouble a lot less and he’d have more rebounds. On the other end, he’d pull defenders out of the paint. 

If I’m being honest - and i hate saying this - it’s Malik that doesn’t fit. I think he thinks he’s a 4 and Woody thinks he’s a 4 because why else are we searching for another 5? I think Malik is a 5 who’s not good at rebounding. The sooner this can be accepted, the better the chance we may turn the corner. 

Completely agree on Reneau. I can't remember if I posted this publicly last offseason, but definitely traded PM's with some folks, that Reneau was a worry for me heading into the season in terms of fit. 

He's a square peg in a round hole on this roster. 

Don't get me wrong, he seems like a phenomenal kid/person and is an extremely talented and skilled offensive player. 

With that said, I'm not sure yet if he's a "winning" player. His comp reminds me of Julius Randle at the NBA level. 

Randle has a ton of talent, is extremely skilled offensively, but takes a ton of shots, doesn't play good D, and frankly while he is talented and a 2-time All-Star, I'd hate it if my Celtics acquired him. 

Geez, now a Rutgers player blocked a Maryland shot and screamed after the play and they called a Tech on him. 

This is just absurd. 

Another thing that doesn't make sense for the "XJ and Galloway meant we couldn't add another guard" stance, is how did we add Reneau when we already had TJD and Race?

How did we add Michael Durr when we already had TJD and Race?

How did we add Walker and Sparks when we already had Ware and Reneau?

There wasn't a guard that can shoot anywhere willing to come in and compete for minutes? 

1 minute ago, tdhoosier said:

I’m more concerned that guards looked at how the offense is ran and simply said: ‘nope’.

If it really was a ‘minutes issue’ it’s not because of Trey and X. It’s because Woody plays 2 bigs at the same time. Woody’s old school line-ups eat up the minutes for potential guards because only 2 guards/wings are on the floor at the same time. MM should be a 4 (with Walker as a back up) and we should have 3 guards/wings on the floor. If he does that, then there will magically be more minutes for a guard transfer. But he doesn’t.

And it’s his line up history that will haunt us again this off-season. Bet. It’s already been rumored he’s going to go after another 5, now that he missed on Queen. 

4 out/1 in, my arse. 

Completely agree. I remember when the Ledlum recruitment was going down, I was hoping we'd land him as a 4, but didn't want him if it was going to be as a wing. 

MM is a college 4. I even feel bad for Banks. I understand he hadn't exactly earned minutes, but he's also been played completely out of position. He's not a spot-up shooting or driving wing, he's a college 4. 

Put these guys out there at the 4 surrounded by dynamic guards and wings, and maybe they and the overall product looks better. 

Big Ten refs are the worst. Maryland kid finished a layup in traffic and yelled And 1 and the ref gave him a Tech. 

Just ridiculous. 

1 minute ago, IUFLA said:

I think along with that you have to figure in how much NIL money was available as well...

And I know some find it distasteful to even consider that, but it's a part of the landscape now however you slice it...Playing time matters, but in this day and age earning opportunities are a huge consideration...

That's partly why I chose Zeisloft as my comp here. He averaged 6ppg at Illinois St before coming to IU. 

That type of guy isnt going to require a big NIL payout or promise of playing time, yet can still have a material impact. 

9 minutes ago, jojo123 said:

Here is what speaks volumes as to if Woody can recruit and attract talent. We had no shooters on this years team, but we had an open scholarship. And even with the portal. He could not or would not get a shooter. Why? You say he wants to win? Does he know talent? If so why the open scholarship was left open with a glaring need? 

Agree or disagree, the argument can be made that there wasn't a top-flight transfer guard that was going to come because we had XJ and Galloway returning. Those guys, if healthy, were always going to play a lot of minutes. 

If I remember correctly, I think i was even saying that last offseason. 

But for a team that is so bad at shooting, you're telling me there wasn't a Nick Zeisloft type that we could have added? 

A guy that was a straight shooter and maybe not super high on the transfer rankings lists? Remember, Zeisloft averaged like 6ppg at Ill St., and Crean took a ton of heat for that recruitment, but surrounded by talent, Ziesloft was a very key piece on a Big Ten title/Sweet Sixteen team. 

We couldn't have added one guy like that?

12 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Tatum is having an mvp caliber season. Silly criticism…every season is new and different. He is also just entering his prime…just because he had success instantly and had some young growing pains in the playoffs at times shouldn’t be held against him. Not everyone is Lebron…holding him to that standard is dumb. Celtics have a long run way for championships. 

Agree. I think my real issue though is these things seem to get held against Tatum, but you don't hear it about Embiid, Doncic, Jokic (before winning the title) and several other young(ish) stars. 

Maybe the price of playing in Boston. Just a higher standard. 

But the clip from Bob Myers and Wilbon's response is just laughable. 

I know I won't get a ton of sympathy on my Celtics here, but this clip drives me nuts. 

I know the Celtics need to finish the deal this season, I get that. But the Tatum criticism is crazy. After Myers said this, Wilbon chimed in and said, "yeah, do that and the criticism goes away."

Um, Tatum has beaten all of those guys in the playoffs already. Throw Durant in too, hes beaten him in the playoffs too. He's outplayed all of them in playoff series. 

He'll, Embiid has never gotten out of the 2nd round, ever. 

2 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

The portal is turning all the programs into NBA G League teams.  Every year is a cobbled together squad where even the most talented teams will struggle from time to time because they don't have that actual growth together that teams had in the past.

I think it's going to move even more in that direction. 

Adam Silver was saying earlier this week that with NIL the G-League Ignite thing is basically failing and they're exploring what to do with that. 

He said they're talking with the NCAA on how to improve l things, etc.  

I could see the Power 5/6 at some point breaking away from the NCAA and becoming part of some sort of true NBA-affiliated feeder system.  

56 minutes ago, Drroogh said:

CJ sporting the look!

I like these! I'm just glad Indiana is doing something, anything that's fun and modern. 

🤣

Not a fan of how they're trying to push the G-League in this Rising Stars game. 

Having a G-League Team in this takes opportunity away from rookies and "sophomores" that are actually in the NBA.