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4 minutes ago, Maedhros said:

That quote. It all comes back to that quote. Every complaint I have above Woodson can be explained as a failure to adapt to how programs are built, run, scouted and recruited at the college level, as opposed to the NBA where Woodson spent a lifetime ossifying. And that quote is a confession of everything he never learned before or after taking this job.

Yeah, that quote was one of the most asinine and negligent things I've heard a coach say. 

Just now, Hoosier987 said:

Thoughts on why he announced 24 hours after the university announced that Woodson was their guy?

Not sure. I don't want to oversell the significance of the timing, but it also can't be a coincidence. 

Sounds like there had been rumblings for awhile on this though. 

When I watch our team, I've often been puzzled as to why a player like McNeely would choose IU in the first place. 

Never really made sense. 

All the money and resources Indiana University throws at recruiting, and this staff has 0 commits and isn't really in on anyone. 🤦‍♂️

This program is a 🤡 show!

1 minute ago, Seeking6 said:

 

It's funny how you can just see him growing. As a greedy fan I sure wish it was sooner but good to see nonetheless.

If we get this ship righted his development could play well into 25 recruits and beyond....but I'm most happy for the kid. That 5 star tag comes with a lot of instant expectations and sometimes it's just not fair.

Agree, he's looked a lot happier and confident the last several games. Great to see. 

I just hope he makes the right call (IMO) and comes back. He's not an NBA player right now. Doesn't have the athleticism for thst level yet and needs to improve his D. 

11 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Really good to see the development. No clue what's in store for him but man I hope he sticks around just 1 more year.

Yeah, one more year would do him a lot of good on a variety of different fronts (improve athleticism, show consistency, etc). Hopefully it's in the cards. 

10 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

BTW, I'm not sure that Mackenzie Mgbako hasn't vaulted into the lead for Big 10 Freshman of the Year

He's been playing so well lately! Great to see. Will be interesting to see what happens with him. 

3 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

TKR actually posts up a decent amount. Depends on match-ups of course and whether Edey is in too. He’ll be a focal point on offense next year. He also is a great offensive rebounder too. 

The offensive rebounding was kind of my point. He takes 4 shots per game, I'd imagine 1-2 of those are offensive rebounds and maybe another 1 is maybe a PnR and then maybe 1-2 on post ups (probably when Edey is sitting)?

The main point was that I don't think anybody would categorize Purdue's offense as a 3-out/double post offense. 

That's not their system. 

9 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Just telling you what I see... Of course he's not the focal point of the offense, but they do indeed post him up, as I said, especially if there's a favorable matchup... 

Regardless, that doesn't make Purdue a 2-post offense, and like I said I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone that would categorize them as such. 

A guy that plays 16mpg getting 1-2 post touches a game doesn't make them something they're not.

The vast majority of their offense is Edey inside surrounded by 4 shooters. 

Just now, ledies22 said:

Argument of semantics. 

Purdue runs inside out with inverted action. 

We make fun of... and well crucify Woodson for his remarks about inside out.

As we glorify Purdue running inside out.

We say you cant win with inside out, but Purdue has a legit shot this year. This being my main point.

 

You're literally removing any/all context or nuance from the convo. 

People crucify Woodson for the two-post/big offense that for much of the season was almost exclusively run through the post. Surrounding that with almost no shooters and discouraging 3pt shots while long 2's get hoisted. 

I'm not sure anyone has said you can't win with inside-out. Everyone knows getting the ball in the paint is a good thing. 

Just now, IUFLA said:

Not as much as Edey for sure, but that's where most of his points come from... 

I dont know, man. I don't watch them as much as you, but he's averaging 6ppg and I'd image some of those are from offensive rebounds, being scrappy, etc., so then were talking a basket or two tops from the post. Maybe?

I dont know, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many people that would describe Purdue's offense as a two-post offense. 

As @5 championships said, Gillis plays more than TKR and its a 4-out / 1-in offense. 

Just now, IUFLA said:

They do it all the time, especially when they think the matchup is favorable...

I've watched them a lot...

 

Purdue posts TKR a lot? 

6 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Except you rarely see their second big, Kaufman-Renn, shoot them...20 on the year at 40%... Conversely, Kel'el has shot 32 at 43%, and Reneau 42 at 33%...

TKR is a post up guy for the most part...

Purdue simply has better shooters at other positions

Yes and no. I'd imagine given how good Edey is that they actually rarely post-up TKR. He's mainly setting screens on and off the ball. 

Also, TKR starts but plays less minutes than Mason Gillis who is shooting nearly 50% from 3 at just over 3 attempts per game. 

But back to the real point, nobody hate an inside-out offense. Paint touches are critical in any basketball system. 

We hate two bigs clogging the lane offense with almost everything going through the post. 

7 minutes ago, ledies22 said:

Its glaringly obvious that the systems are different. they win, we lose.

just because they shoot better from 3 with higher volume, does not negate the fact that we praise Purdue, while hating on inside out offense..... they have the best coach and best team with an ..... inside out offense

The vast majority hate on the 2 bigs in the lane, run everything through the post offense. There's a difference. 

1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

If we could pick and choose our own metrics we can make it look better, but so could every team which mean it would also affect where we stand.  It really boils down to the fact we don't have enough 15+ point wins against bad teams and to many 15+ losses to good teams.  We are just bad all around.  Just have to accept it and move on.

Yeah, and that's the point. Good teams largely blow out the really bad teams. IU didn't and early in the season it was a clear indicator that we were a mediocre at best team. 

Good teams largely don't get blown out numerous times by other good teams. This was another indicator that IU was a mediocre at best team. 

We can say it's silly that efficiency and point differential are dumb or whatever and the record is all that matters, but the above were clear indicators early on that IU wasn't a good team this year. 

Purdue has surrounded Edey with guys that shoot over 35% from the 3pt line. Their system and IU's are different. 

Just now, BADGERVOL said:

This is exactly right. We could high end do what you just described and he’d feel he’s got us going good. He’s delusional and this whole thing is a wreck

I can't even think for me in my own mind what I would need to see next year to regain faith in this staff. 

How can the admin even evaluate it?

2 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

I think next year could make Archie's 4th year look pleasant if things don't significantly improve. 

We need to improve 45 spots on KenPom to just reach where Archie's 4th year was. The largest jump we've ever had in the entire KenPom era besides Year 2 to Year 3 of Crean is 71 spots, which would "only" put us at 24 next year.... aka Michigan State or Wisconsin. 

After that jump, the next biggest is only 31 spots. If we only jump 31 spots next year I don't think Quinn Buckner or Mike Woodson will be welcome back in Bloomington. 

This is the problem now. What's the criteria for next year? What has to happen next season for Woodson to earn a 5th season?

Like, if we squeak into the Tournament as a play-in team, does that mean Woodson has "improved" things?

How bad does next year need to be for him to get fired? 

Just now, DC2345 said:

I’m still so confused about what happened and how this played out 

Nothing happened. Unfortunately, they announced Woodson is coming back. All the other stuff was just internet fodder.