13th&Jackson

Steve Lutz at W KY, hired by OK St. 

Andy Enfield (USC) takes SMU job. I think he jumped ship while he could. 

Bump for CMW discussions since he isn’t being fired

20 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

The only thing "parallel" here would be a universe...

You're comparing Ewing's 2 really crappy years and 1 mediocre year to a guy who made the tournament his first year (after a 6 year absence) grabbed a 2nd place finish in the Big 10 and a 4 seed his second year, finished 6th with the least experienced team in the Big 10 (and even though that gets dismissed, I also cited how much experience means in the tournament), only to say it somehow portends to be even worse for IU basketball in the near future? Really?

 

 

Whatever. I said IU was at a crossroads. At the time of the post, IU had no 2024 recruits and McNeely had opted out of his commitment. They didn't appear to be leading on any of their targeted 2025 recruits. 

There are some obvious parallels to the situations with Ewing and Woodson, but I clearly said that Woodson has been better through the first 3 years. Never said he would end the same, but there are some warning signs that things could get worse from here. 

But unfortunately, you have become one of the few posters who brings no pleasure to visiting this board. You don't allow posters to have a reasoned opinion without taking it personally. You don't have to agree, but everyone here is entitled to their opinion as long as they stay within the rules. You paint with a broad brush and group anyone together who doesn't 100% agree with you. 

Unfortunately, you will become only the third member I've ever had to place on ignore. 

13 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Yes, I'm sure all of that factors into the BS comparisons of Mike Woodson to Patrick Ewing...

75-109 and 19-35 are a far cry from 103-63 and 31-29...

You are taking that completely out of context of what I said. This is my post:

There are parallels to Ewing at Georgetown. Although Woodson has been better through years 1-3, most people don't realize that the bottom didn't fall out until years 5 and 6. They were 15-17 in year three, which IU came precariously close to matching (were 14-13 and were underdogs in all four remaining games). Year 4, Georgetown was 13-13, but went on a run to win the Big East tournament. People were thinking they turned a corner. Ewing was 3 games over .500. Then they went 13-50 over the final two years of his six years there.

The rest of that post was an article that addressed how Ewing left a good job as an NBA assistant to try to resurrect his alma mater. It mentioned that he didn't like recruiting, how their style of play didn't fit the modern game of basketball and how Ewing's answer was they just needed to work harder. My point was there were some parallels and that IU was at a crossroads entering year 4 of CMW. 

I don't know what 103-63 is. CMW is 63-40. 

2 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Really doesn't matter...Mike Woodson will be our coach next year, despite all of the gnashing of teeth and fairy tales after the Nebraska loss...

I would hope y'all would get behind our team, but some of you, short of a coaching change, who seem to be unwilling to do so...

 

I don't know who you're talking to. I have maintained all along that CMW would be coach next year. I didn't agree with the hire, but I always want them to win. I always support the team, but that doesn't mean I may not be critical of how they play. My saying that it would be unprecedented (not impossible, just unprecedented) for a 66 year old coach, with 3 years of college experience, to win a national title is a statement of fact based on actual precedence. It has nothing to do with who that coach happens to be.  It's funny. People think of Bill Guthridge as being old, but when he took Smith's team to the FF in 1998, he was only 60. He retired when he was 62. Of course, he'd been the assistant there for 30 years. 

For Painter to take 19 years to make a final four and Gene Keady to never make one shows how difficult it is. IU fans were spoiled by CBK. Some also get spoiled by the one year wonders that get hot at the right time. 

2 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

How old was Jim Larranaga last year?

You get to the FF, you have a shot...

He was 72. It was his twelfth year at Miami to get to his first FF. They made his first Elite 8 at Miami in year 11. 

Does anyone believe Mike Woodson will be coaching when he's 75? I don't think he does.

“I don’t know, there are coaches that are coaching into their 70s. I don’t know if that’s something I’ll do, I don’t know. But at this point, I’ll take it a day at a time, a year at a time. I’m not going anywhere anytime soon guys. I’m just not. So I’m going to continue to build this team and try to put this team in the best position possible and see where it leads us.”

Marshall coach Dan D’Antoni currently carries the distinction of the oldest Division I men’s college basketball coach in the country at 76 following the recent retirement of Coastal Carolina coach Cliff Ellis, who is 78.

There are only four other active D-I coaches over the age of 70:  Florida State’s Leonard Hamilton, La Salle’s Fran Dunphy, Miami’s Jim Larrañaga and Rick Pitino of St. John’s.

There are 362 D1 coaches. Only 20 are over 65. 

12 minutes ago, Drroogh said:

Woodson only gets 3!

Calhoun is the oldest coach to win an NCAA title at age 68, but he'd been at UConn for 25 years and already won two titles. He retired at age 70. Jay Wright retired at 60, Wooden retired at 64, Dean Smith at 66 and Roy Williams at 70. All had been at their schools a long time. Pitino is an outlier going to Iona when he was 67 and St Johns when he was 70, but he would never have left Louisville where he'd been for 16 years. 

Mike Woodson really doesn't have enough time. It would be an unprecedented event for him, at his age and tenure of CBB coaching, to win a title at IU in the next three seasons. 

23 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Yes and it only took him 19 years!

If they win it all this year (gag), he'll be in good company. Pitino 14 years,  Self 15, Coach K 16, Roy Williams 17, Wooden 18, Cal 20, Dean Smith 21, Tark 22, Jay Wright 22, Calhoun 27. 

2 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said:

I am definitely looking forward to Eddie vs the plus size Dainja guy.

Burns is way more skilled than Dainja. Point forward with excellent vision, BB IQ and a nice face up mid range game. 

It was reported during the PU (gag) - Gonzaga game that Painter attended a coaching clinic last summer. In it Baylor's staff (Baylor being one of the best shooting teams in CBB) gave a presentation on a 3 point practice drill they use. Painter reportedly incorporated it into their practices. They went from 291st in 3 pt shooting last year to 1st this season, with largely the same roster (just adding Jones). Granted their freshmen matured, but still. 

Does Woodson and the other coaches attend these? Asking because I honestly don't know. How intellectually curious are they about adopting things being done at other programs?

27 minutes ago, Euroclydon said:

This is perhaps the most important question a coaching staff has to answer and it is continuous. It never stops due ti the portal and early entries.

For IU specifically there's another question. After the season ended I suggested an autopsy is needed for the program. After decades of struggling to right the ship, it is clear there's more to it than what we see.

My suggestion is to put together a group of trusted former players and coaches (not just IU alums) to dig into everything. Coach hiring process; recruiting; facilities; NIL; academics; and everything else tied to the program. Where are they at a top level and where do they fall short?

As fans, we want to assume they are a top program in most categories. Results say that's not true. It's also possible leadership is making the same assumptions. Group think is real and it can be death to any organization.

 

 

Technically not a business (arguable), but still applicable:

Here come the Duke calls. Horrible tech on Keats

Filipowski: Overrated clap clap clap clap clap

7 minutes ago, Zlinedavid said:

Danke. And yes, was literally crying as they were leaving the arena. Getting to end her active athletic career on that kind of stage…yeah, once in a lifetime. 
 

Just too bad Purdue basketball had to win to get that. 😂
 

Oh, and she loved getting this little jab in: “I didn’t realize the last time we made the Final Four was before YOU were born.” 🙄😂 Yeah, haha, funny funny….

Barkley just said “if Purdue didn’t make the FF this year, man it would have been tough for them”

12 minutes ago, DWB said:

Ostrella has the worst hands. That's about 3 muffs he's had this half..

Same outcome as a turnover

He’s a freshman who played 2mpg this year. He’s done pretty well under the circumstances 

6 minutes ago, DWB said:

Even though I hope PU loses this, I'll love to see the match up between the Big from UConn against Edey. UConn big is athletic, only 2" shorter than Edey, and has just as much bulk.

Edey just might get exposed big time for the slug he is.

Clingan already has 3 fouls

Just now, DWB said:

Funny...I've counted at least 4 and probably more like 6.

And then there are all of the travels....

And three seconds 

Lappas didn’t get the memo: “Edey got away with a little bit of a push off there”

10 minutes ago, DWB said:

I think one of the reasons PU made a run, is because Knecht cooled off. Some on the bench, and some in the game late in the 1st half.

Someone else needs to step up

How in the world was that a lane violation on TN when Gillis was standing in the lane blocking out the TN player on the foul lane?

2 minutes ago, DWB said:

Sorry. Thought it was Knecht.

Did we even go after Knecht?

IU had a Zoom call with him but never was able to get a visit 

Just now, rd726 said:

Man Frankenstein gets away with a lot 

Was hoping refs wouldn’t be as “scared” in the tourney 

Ridiculous. On one possession, he set a moving screen then cleared out for an offensive rebound and he ended up at the line

46 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

I don't think he has earned the right to use "we". What has he done?

He hasn't played a game yet. Hasn't even signed yet.

He seems entitled, like everything should be handed to him.

He is using "we" like he is already up there with TJD, Oladipo, Calbert etc.

Not liking this at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

😝

He was using the Royal We. He’s working up to referring to himself as Bryson Tucker. 

1 hour ago, FKIM01 said:

I wouldn't go that far either.  This fan base isn't objective enough to make that call and Woodson's record doesn't indicate a bad coach.  The players don't give that feedback either.  Trayce Jackson Davis and Kel'el Ware would likely have a very different take.

Woodson’s strength is individual development of post players. His weakness is roster construction and a style of play that is attractive to backcourt players 

Illinois’ transition defense has been remarkable