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One of the most concerning parts of all this is just how unreliable the reporting of cases has been. Its all over the map, in both directions. We have to learn some lessons from this. An uninformed population is partly to blame for the division and lack of trust/belief. https://apnews.com/c15b742f95a73ba2a45f7e7bf7d7255d

Ok, that post was questionable, at best. I have it cleaned up. Lets please move on.

He must have liked it....

This is a 20 to 30 minute documentary that came out just before COVID-19 took off. Mentions many past pandemics. I found it very interesting. And it does touch on the Spanish flu/war. If you have netflix, its a good, short watch. https://shadowandact.com/the-pandemic-episode-of-netflixs-explained-gave-us-an-eerie-coronavirus-warning

Slow down a bit guys. We have been pretty loose in letting this thread stay organic. But a few of you keep stepping closer and closer to the line of political discussion. People taking advantage of children for an agenda? Thats pushing the limits of our discussion. Trump doctors this etc. You all can state your views on HCQ, schools, death rates etc. Just please stop purposefully seeing how far you can push it here.

I prefer Bailey.

Have to think testing and reporting processes have to play a role. Who knows how much, but has to be considered.

HCQ started being "banned" when the false study came out. My mom has been on HCQ for years (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis and a degenerative lung disease). The medicine is safe and has been for many years. Do your own research. The facts show HCQ is effective on treating patients early. Phase 1, initial symptoms. There is plenty of data to back that up. It is not effective once the virus has fully taken hold and the patient is very ill. The vast majority of those debunking its viability are basing their arguments on a patient being very ill. Taking HCQ and not getting better. It is a straw man argument. Distort the claims to easily shoot it down. I do not care who is right or wrong, which side is right etc. I am very familiar with HCQ. I am not an expert on what it does with covid (hell, nobody is a covid expert at this point). What infuriates me is that as soon as a disliked politician says he "likes it", the media ran right to portraying it as some dangerous mystery drug with these god awful side effects. Basically claiming it was not safe. I knew right then, we will never get honest truth. Debate whether it works for covid all you want. My reading has me believing it is useful early. But to call it dangerous, and literally prohibit a doctor from prescribing it? That is wrong. That is scary. It is a safe drug.....it may give you the poops.

Sorry, I am not on here 24/7. Geesh, got it as soon as i saw it. Sorry you think it is sad. Really. Thanks for understanding. 🙄

This is the kind of "jounalism" that makes people do stupid stuff. Either you beleive the nonsense and go full blown panic extremes. Or you recognize they are playing to our fears and say to hell with it, its all hype. Then stop using common sense. This junk journalism is dangerous on all sides. https://www.yahoo.com/news/america-track-million-coronavirus-cases-112633549.html

Now that's funny.

Full disclosure, it took me a while to see the dude. The scenery in the forefront kinda snagged my attention.

To be clear, I think there is odd reporting in both directions. It is scary. Government, hospitals, doctors etc all have stake in how this is reported. My frustration is not at any one group or direction. Just that everything we are fed is fed to us with a tilt, one direction or the other.

Wow, people are so damn dismissive of any view that is not their own. My daughter is a nurse. One of my best friends is a doctor. Beleive me or don't, call me ridiculous and give me a tin foil hat. But they live in this world. If you think there is no incentive for people to classify deaths as covid (and some people take advantage of this incentive) then you are just not doing the research. Covid is real, dangerous and rampant. But truthfully, it is next to impossible to gauge the actual extent.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/15/colorado-covid-coronavirus-counting-deaths-fatalities/amp/

Really curious if any of those that tested positive had any symptoms.

I had a sudden belch the other day, while wearing a mask. Lets just say, it was not a good experience 😷🤮

Exactly. The company I work for is a large, well positioned company. But we are no home depot. Nobody matches their buying power, so if they can't get it, imagine what the rest of us are dealing with.

And just after I posted this, one of my regional managers just sent me this..... "Wow! None of the refrigerators I ordered last week came in" Ugh

I agree. I am fine with a million different views on what "this report" means or how we interpret "that article" etc. But the division on wearing a mask, keeping distance and othe common sense protocol is exhausting and dangerous. We are all guessing how severe this really is, how long it will last. What we do know is the virus is real and it is super active. With all the unknowns, how anybody wants to gamble with their personal actions is beyond me. I see people not wearing a mask and I just think "you are not tough, you are not exercising your freedom, you are simply being a freaking douchebag"

Supply chain issues are real. I work as a divisional level person for a national retail chain. Selling electronics, appliances and furniture. I cover 4 states. The past two months our business has been surprisingly strong, very strong. The demand is still strong, but our growth is diminishing because we simply have exhausted all angles to keep proper inventory levels. Washers and dryers are worth their weight in gold for us, nobody has access! Supply chain on appliances is in a bad way right now, for sure.

Important to note, that is reflecting cases in February and March where the vast majority of resources were geared towards the elderly and health care workers. This is reflecting only cases resolved 4 months ago.

I do not disagree. Just saying the testing per million is not the way I would determine if we are the best or not. As for New York, I think we may be dealing with recency bias. It is premature to say they did a good job at flattening the curve and others are not. They are no longer the hot spot. But when this horrible thing is finally over, I am thinking them and New Jetsey will still lead the pack in cases and deaths in realtion to population. Even with the blow ups in Texas, Florida, California etc, they have a very long way to go to get to New York or New Jersey numbers. I think we do agree, lets hope they do not approach those numbers. It can still be avoided if people start using basic common sense and follow simple protocols.

Talk about a misleading statement. You saying Malta and Gibralter are testing better than us? Our testing is obviously not where it should be. But we are testing at a volume nobody else is even approaching. The test volume is high. The organization, distribution etc is still sketchy at best. Tests per million is just not anywhere near a fair measuring approach. We can manipulate numbers all day doing that. On the flip side, we have tested 4 times as many people as India has. They have 5 times our population. That does not mean we are doing great. Just as The Cayman Islands aren't doing better because they are beating us per million. We are testing more than anybody. Not even debatable. Are we testing efficiently? That's would be a more fair complaint.

There may be a few people who argue against wearing a mask. But it is definitely a minority group. Even here, where we see a wide range of views, maybe one or two people are shunning the idea of a mask. Honestly, I can only think of one poster who ranted against wearing a mask, while coaching. There has been a wide range of differing opinions here. But social distancing and wearing a mask seems to be something most everybody here agrees on. Now go to wal-mart, and clearly that is not the case. Way too many people just are not doing what needs to be done. But I have not seen that approach being defended here.