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2 open scholarships not counting Franklin and Thompson.

My thoughts exactly.

Sure, it speaks well for the staff's development if they can get TJD to use his right hand and extend his shooting range. Especially if they turn him into a 1st round draft choice instead of 2nd round. You think a recruit like Washington wouldn't take that into consideration and think about what the staff could do for him?

Mods, the formatting of a couple of quotes have been really messed up like this one. This is the second one I've seen like this. Just FYI.

If Glass was still AD we probably would've hired Dugan instead of Dane. "Close enough."

Yep, but our returning players are so good that we can't expect to get transfers because the PT just won't be there despite being only 12-15 last season. Especially at the PG position.

Nope. People are just discussing whether our returning point guards Lander and Phinisee will scare away transfers like Xavier Johnson.

My personal expectation is 0.500 or better year 1 and possibly making the NCAAT. As far as record, that's it. What I really want/expect to see is a team that plays hard. A team that looks like they're actually having fun and not unmotivated more times than not. A team that doesn't look lost on offense. A team that doesn't give up so many open 3 point shots on defense. Hopefully, a team that values every possession. I think if those things happen there is enough talent that the overall record will improve. The real test will be to see how much improvement we see from the returning players. That will give some indication of what to expect in the years after.

I really think that COVID hurt his development. There were months that he could've been on campus working with the coaching staff and practicing against his teammates that were lost. That said, only 2 players under Miller made large leaps in play from one season to the next. One was Morgan that first year which I've always questioned how much Miller and staff had to do with. The other was Franklin and TDH article seemed to indicate that Miller had little to no involvement in his improvement over the summer. So maybe a summer being coached by him wouldn't have helped but I think this summer will.

Utter failure. He hasn't won a single game yet! Nor has he landed a single recruit. It's been a week. A whole week! What a disaster.

Sure, it's not as though they could get much worse. Only 4 teams between them and the bottom of the B1G last year so it wouldn't take much for them to improve. It wasn't a good team that just had a bad year. At best it was a mediocre team that underperformed a bit. The new coaching staff alone could improve on that some but it would still be a mediocre team with a low ceiling. Fortunately, the team will have some new faces next year so the ceiling will hopefully be higher. Hard to tell until all the transferring in and out of the program is done.

Not a rebuilding year? The team was 12-15 last season. It's a rebuilding year regardless.

No, he is DOBO.

They just haven't gotten around to changing it. It was like that in college basketball until earlier '90s. IU played a part in the NCAA changing that, iirc. It's been a long time so I don't remember all the details but from what I can recall is that it happened during the NCAAT. IU had the lead in the last minute of a close game when the other team scored. I think the other team was out of timeouts so they couldn't setup the clock themselves. No one caught the ball after it went in so it was rolling on the court. An IU player, I think it was Bailey, slowly walked over to pick it up then slowly walked out of bounds to inbound the ball. The clock was running the whole time and it took a ton of time. The NCAA added the rule to stop the clock after a make in the final minute that summer. As an IU fan, it was great to watch. I'm sure the other team was pissed. Edit: Here it is. https://www.nydailynews.com/bs-xpm-1993-03-22-1993081080-story.html The rule was indeed changed that summer and went into effect starting in the 1993-1994 season. http://www.orangehoops.org/NCAA/NCAA Rule Changes.htm

Pass

1. Franklin 2. Lander I think Thompson and Geronimo leave. If they do, that means that Woodson would have 4 open scholarships to work with for transfers and high school recruits. I think he'll fill all of them, mostly with transfers as it's late in the game to land high school recruits even if they get released due to coaching changes.

Knowing the NCAA, they'll not only reject the rule change but then take it several steps backwards and do something stupid like take away the grad transfer waiver and force everyone who enters the portal to sit out a year regardless of whether they leave their current school or not.

247 still lists them as transferring and it says that it was updated this morning. That said, the list doesn't appear to actually be up to date. Durham's transfer location is still a "?" and Stewart is still on the list. It looks like walk-on Jacquez Henderson is transferring. https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Basketball/TransferPortal/

That pretty well sums up my thoughts from reading that article. The author does say at the end that he's a "pretty fair coach" but most of the time seemed to have a grudge. From what Woodson has said so far it seems like he's more open to input and I hope he is. Part of the reason I got over the disappointment of this hire was that with hiring Matta and the possibility Brown it looked like we might have a coach that would check his ego at the door and turn to others for advise to help him win. This article has me doubting that but that was also over a decade ago and his first HC job so maybe he has learned and adjusted his approach in that time.

I don't remember Woodson as a player even counting his NBA days. I'm 43 so I'm too young to remember his days at IU since I was just a baby/toddler then. But I was watching sports by the late 80s and don't remember him from then. Out of curiosity since you mentioned them, did you ask the player who the coaches of Alabama and Arkansas are? I mean, if a D1 recruit doesn't know those then we're no worse off than any school not named Duke, UK, or UNC. That also means that higher someone else from our list of home run hires probably wouldn't have had automatic name recognition either.

This article makes a good point about why Woodson might fail. The recruiting and dealing with college students has been my largest concern with this hire. I think Matta can help with some of this and can at least help Woodson prepare to deal with the rest. https://sports.yahoo.com/opinion-mike-woodson-rude-awakening-230859190.html

I'm interested in what your results are.

I get what you're saying and you're not wrong. However, the kids want to play in the NBA and even if they have to google him to find out who he is I'm pretty sure his long track record of coaching will probably be enough to get them to at least listen to his pitch. Plus, this hire has been talked about on national sports shows so I'm sure most of them have at minimum a slight idea of who he is by now. Whether it works out well enough to create some recruiting momentum before he has to prove it by winning games remains to be seen. I guess Washington might be the first chance Woodson to land a big in-state recruit.

I'm aware that Matta (and Brown if added) will not be coaching. I'm sure the kids still know who Matta is. I'm sure they know who Brown is. They can help sell the university to the kids on visits. And having two very knowledgeable ex-coaches to turn to for advice couldn't hurt. Especially when one is in the HOF and won championships at both the college and professional levels.

It is but it's because of his total and complete lack of college basketball coaching. I literally have no idea what we'll get with him. Matta and Brown, on the other hand, do have histories at this level. Very good histories. For me, it's not so much the assistants or the other personnel themselves that could get me excited. It's more that we bring in this guy who is well respected in the NBA who then acknowledges that he is missing key knowledge and experience for coaching at the college level. He then does what he can to immediately remedy that. It's looking more like "I want to win and win soon" rather than "I'll eventually figure it out and then win." He also realizes that not everyone knows who he is but someone like Brown would have name recognition. So I get what you're saying but I think it's kind of exciting because he wants to win soon. And the commitment from the AD to make a new position for Matta to help ensure it happens then maybe another new position for Brown. It just seems like there is more of a commitment to winning and doing it soon than there has been since Knight was here. That's even if the initial hiring appeared uninspiring. We might start landing a bunch of the top players that have been targeted recently but missed. Or we may not. If we don't, it certainly looks like it won't be for lack of effort. Another thing is that since I have absolutely no say in the matter and Woodson is already a done deal to IU I'm not going to fight it at this time, especially before he's even coached a single game. I'll give him some time before I start complaining. You're less than thrilled by this hire. I get that. I just think if he surrounds himself with the right people it could work out, and earlier rather than later. Wither or not it does remains to be seen.