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1 hour ago, Indykev said:

Mods maybe we need a portal thread like last season to post IU's next savor in. Keep them all together.

A "Help is on the way" thread?

5 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Might have been 88-89...something like that. I know Pitino went 500 his first year but that was with sanctions/probation etc...so this is pretty unprecedented.

I know I'm rooting for them! Rooting for them to finish under 0.500, that is.

2 hours ago, BGleas said:

You must not have seen many of my posts, because I haven't said any of those things. 

I literally started the convo after the Purdue game about our backcourt only having 1 player ranked above 120 in their class. 

So what did you mean when you said "he's a solid recruiter" in the quote above? That implies that the recruiting has been just fine so I must've not seen your other post. Apologies if I misunderstood that statement. I personally wouldn't say that someone is a solid recruiter if I doubted how well they've recruited. The backcourt and the thinness up front are reasons for doubt in my opinion.

5 hours ago, BGleas said:

Who are these 'people? This board is littered with countless threads and posts ripping the coach, calling for his firing, as well as posts talking about how lowly ranked IU's backcourt is, how we don't have enough bigs, how our starting guards are bench players on any good team, etc., etc. 

Apparently, you're one of these people. You come right out and say it's not coaching and not recruiting/talent yet the players still can't execute.

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

Completely agree, and yes we do see a lot of the same things. For probably all of those reasons IU is where it is. 

Whichever strategy was chosen on Sunday, it would have come down to player execution, and as you said that has been lacking. 

Ultimately something has been missing from this program for 4 years. It just has, and I can't really put my finger on it. 

I like Archie, I think he's really strong on the strategy and X's/O's stuff, he's a solid recruiter (I love our freshmen and sophomores), etc., but for some reason it just hasn't come together, and its the same issues over and over. 

Good coaches can get players to execute within a 3.5 years timespan. Unless, of course, those players just aren't talented enough.

34 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Who are these 'people? This board is littered with countless threads and posts ripping the coach, calling for his firing, as well as posts talking about how lowly ranked IU's backcourt is, how we don't have enough bigs, how our starting guards are bench players on any good team, etc., etc. 

Yes, there are plenty of those threads. Notice that I didn't say "everyone." In these threads are the same people defending both coaching and recruiting (i.e. talent level), saying they're both fine. Then when specific incidents are brought up, these same posters then say it was just that the players didn't execute. It's like a broken record.

17 minutes ago, rico said:

Hold on there.  UK and Duke have numerous players projected to go in the 1st round.  What does that say about their struggles?

It says that those freshmen aren't the immediate impact needed to win consistently their first (only) year in college. They lack experience and make freshman mistakes. There could also be chemistry and selfishness issues.

This is a one off season for those teams. It's SOP for IU. That's the point. If it was one game or maybe even just one season then it could be shrugged off as "the players just didn't execute." But it's been consistent under Miller. At some point it has to be either the players aren't talented enough to execute or they aren't coached well enough to prepare them to execute. Possibly both. Yet people say that it's not a talent issue nor a coaching issue so I'd like to know what they think is causing the players to fail to execute so often is.

5 minutes ago, rico said:

It all comes down to execution, freshman mistakes or not.

Right. So the only blame is on the players and the coaching staff bears none of it?

It's the coach's job to recruit players that can execute at the this level and then to prepare them to do so. Miller is failing at least one of these aspects. 

Maybe Coach K and Cal failed at the recruiting part for this year as the players obviously aren't the immediate impact players they need to be for those teams to be successful this season. But do you really believe that if those players stay for another season or two that both of those teams would continue to be bad? No. Coaching and experience would make them tough to beat. 

10 minutes ago, rico said:

Ask UK or Duke this season.

Those can be explained by lack of experience. Freshmen having trouble acclimating to the college game as well as just making freshman mistakes. It's a risk that they make with their recruiting strategy. 

IU isn't lacking in that experience. Besides, this isn't a new issue under Miller. 

1 hour ago, rico said:

Executing is our downfall.  

Yet somehow there is no issue with either coaching or the talent level. How does that work?

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Nope, you can get drafted right out of HS

Yes, I understand that. You said he would go pro after his freshman year if he didn't go out of HS. Hence  the question about 3 years if he chooses to go to school. Re-read my question.

26 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

He’s definitely going to MLB, either this year or after his freshman year. From what I have heard down here, he will be drafted this summer, but let’s see what he decides 

I thought with baseball if the player chose to go to school they had to be there for 3 years before entering the draft. Is that no longer the case?

6 minutes ago, HoosierDom said:

When was the last time we used all of our scholarships, though?

I don't remember how the rules work exactly, but I believe we're allowed even more next year.

Miller doesn't even use them all for full time basketball players. Why do you think he would use one for a baseball player?

6 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Why would he want to be a walk-on (Archie never plays them) or practice player?  He has MLB aspirations and should be giving his entire focus to baseball.  Baseball/Basketball seasons overlap so much that trying to play both really only works if your primary sport is basketball. 

Also, I don't see Miller using a scholarship on him and I don't see him going without any scholarship. As stated earlier in this thread, those are the choices if he plays basketball - basketball scholarship or no scholarship.

1 minute ago, Seeking6 said:

Understand. Just trying to figure out the timeline. Michigan is so concerned and protective of their players...that they played a game Friday night after opponent had 2 positives....but 36 hours later when someone (not a player or coach) tests positive and the whole thing is shut down for 2 weeks? The consistency there is lacking.

PS....the more I think about it. Hats off to Painter for playing that game Friday.

Part of their reaction seems to be due to the fact that it's the new strain which is much more easily transmitted. The ESPN article I just read that was linked in another thread here said "positive tests" which indicates more than one person has it. That article does sound like they're erring on the side of caution but I still think it's likely not just athletes and/or coaches from a single sport that has it but probably someone in the athletic department who could have spread it between sports.

1 minute ago, Seeking6 said:

So it could be someone like the chef that prepares meals for team each day? 

Maybe. Or a tutor. Or some other personnel that is in frequent contact. 

I have a friend that has worked in Athlete Departments at multiple schools. She was neither of those positions but still interacted with the athletes quite a lot. I'm sure the coaches meet with people in the department on a regular basis so there's probably at least one person there that sees all of them often, as well.

The point is that there is nothing "fishy," "odd," or "strange" about this. I'll give you that it's "not normal," but what is normal this season? It makes perfect sense if it's someone in the AD that interacts with many or all the teams in some fashion on a regular basis. If it was a single athlete or coach in a single sport then it might be an overreaction.

16 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Sorry. Guess I have to define fishy. Seems very odd....to shut down an entire athletic department for 2 weeks because someone linked to the department tested positive. Not a player, not a coach....shoot for all we know it's the janitor....2 week shutdown? Just seems fishy. Odd. Strange. Not normal. 

Not if it's someone that has regular contact with the athletes and/or coaching staffs of many or all of the sports. 

11 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

I want this team on the court as much as possible right now. We don't want 10 day breaks. I want the Big 10 to step in and make sure Michigan and Michigan St aren't getting the benefit of the schedule. If anything....make sure they travel to us not vice versa. 

To date our kids have avoided the problem...don't see a reason why they should be inconvenienced. 

I look at it as an advantage. This is time that can be used to make up for the interrupted off season and abbreviated preseason. They have also have the advantage of having plenty of film for things to work on. They had no games for a week before Iowa and they obviously worked on more than just preparing for them. They looked better in many aspects of the game. Games getting postponed and/or cancelled sucks, but they can use that time to their advantage.

1 hour ago, Hippopotamo said:

Extra year will be really interesting. I could see guys like Galloway and Leal play 5 years which would be huge for us. Additionally, immediate eligibility for transfers would be really interesting too. 

The vote on the change to the transfer rule was delayed again. They'll have to vote on that and the NIL rules sometime but the NCAA will delay for as long as possible. Probably in hope that people forget about them. They've already delayed voting on the transfer rule for a year. 

29 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Lol...Michigan vs Maryland, Livers and Smith accidentally knee each other in the nuts on a drive, and listening to Bardo trying to describe it with Lisa Byington as his partner is classic...he sounds like Porky Pig...

At what point in the game (approximately)? All college games are added to my DVR (YouTube TV is great for that) and that sounds funny enough to check out but I don't really want to watch the whole game.

50 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said:

That’s it. Butler didn’t sound right.  It was MD. 

Butler, too. IU was up 68-57 with 22 seconds left and Butler called a timeout so they could run a play to get the difference under 10. I just watched that again to check.

Maryland was playing a full court press at the end which caused the turnover but didn't call a timeout to draw up a play.

7 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

I'm trying to remember but I feel like that story was maybe a regional or a bankers life event and then it was negated by someone saying they saw him signing a bunch.  May have caught him at a bad time or it could have been causing a disruption.  

Fair point.

56 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said:

Another example that I was given from a member of this board which I just found out, and frankly the worst one I’ve heard, he turned down 4-5 kids at a high school game for an autograph.  Worst part is, one of the kids he turned down was a sibling of a kid he was there watching....😳😳.  I’m trying to find out which recruit it was/is.  

Jeez. I thought he just didn't have much personality/charisma. He seems to be an introvert. This and your other post make it seem like it goes deeper than that. There's nothing wrong with being an introvert, I'm one myself, but if you take a job that requires you to interact with people you need to do that. I intentionally went into a field that would allow me to not have to interact with large groups and the public. He chose to be a basketball coach and accepted a job at a major university with a large fan base. That requires interacting with more than just the players and coaching staff. He knew he'd have to do speeches and mingle with donors. He knew he'd have to interact with fans and that autographs and pictures would be expected. It sounds like he's doing about as good of job at those things as he is at putting a winning product on the floor.

Let us know if you find out which recruit that was. That can't have made a very good impression. Especially if it was only 4-5 kids he'd have to sign autographs for and not 100.

4 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said:

It could in human committee eyes but I don’t know that for a fact. I just know that the NET factors in double digit wins/losses.
 

I have read where some coaches will call a timeout down 10 with just a few seconds to go to get into single digits.  

We had a coach do just that against IU earlier this season. I think it was against Butler.

10 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Oh of course. To me it’s a signal about Archie. I can’t say for sure but I personally think he is just not flexible enough in his recruiting. He is so rigid with his system perhaps and not willing to compromise..I just don’t know but his seeming obsessive focus on just the defensive end just doesn’t seem to jive with most top 50 recruits. Whatever the case...I don’t expect UK level recruiting but IU has really never had an issue bringing in special talent. Davis, Sampson, Crean, Archie all have been able to land it but obviously when it isn’t happening at a high enough rate consecutively then problems happen. Archie isn’t Knight...he isn’t good enough to take mediocre talent and get them to the tournament. Most coaches to win at an elite level need elite talent. We’ve been able to land it in the past...I’m honestly surprised Archie hasn’t been able to land better out of state talent to go with our home grown kids.

I agree with all of that.

Several recruits have pointed to the offense as their reasoning. Also, he doesn't seem to have much personality so he doesn't come off as a great salesman. And that hurts when it sounds like he lets his assistants do most of the recruiting then he tries to come in at the end as a closer.

Just now, dgambill said:

Yeah outside Romeo we just haven’t been able to land that dynamic playmaker. Someone that will break down a defense or can take his man and make shots. Armaan is coming along but man you try to make a living off developing guys in the 150-200 level and expect they develop and become an all conference player you are probably not going to succeed very often. Archie is just making his job so much more difficult. His margin for error is always so small. From the guys he recruits and expects to develop to the style of play. Just love his job get easier by having some talent advantages out there. 

To be fair, it isn't as though Miller hasn't recruited many top 50 or to 75 players. He just hasn't been very successful landing them. Which is on him but it shows that he does understand the level of talent he needs.