tdhoosier

Not calling you slimy, but now when I re-read I understand how you came to that conclusion. My apologies for not being clearer. Let me retry that sentence: I think, as you probably do, most politicians are slimy. .....Not that you they are 'as slimy as you". Look, I will disagree with you but won't result to name calling. Really did not intend for it to come across that way.

I'm just saying it's these type of conspiracy theories that divert our attention away from are ability to be critical. I hear everybody about Monday Morning quarterbacking. Many countries had their failure and there's plenty of blame to go around. But the reason for those Monday morning film sessions are learn from mistakes. If we can't honestly analyze and learn from our failures we will have a hard time digging our way out of this. Edit: the conspiracies I'm referring to are population control and other ones floating around. I'm not disagreeing on China.

I completely understand that as more numbers come in the actual death rate is going to change. Right now a death rate of 1% seems to be the general consensus, so whether it goes up to 1.5% or down to .7%, either way it's pretty deadly. Look, we had it killing 10 people/day in the third week of March and by April 7th it surpassed Heart Disease as the number 1 cause of death on April 7th when it killed over 1,800 people and it's been climbing since. And that's with a majority of deaths coming from just one city. I agree we can't be 100% accurate right now when stating the actual death rate. But when people say it's not as deadly as we think when comparing it to the seasonal flu or other 'common viruses', and then use that bit of inaccurate info to propagate a conspiracy theory about population control then I don't agree with their general premise.

Because of politicians just love pissing off their constituents? And they love losing money in their retirement accounts by shutting down the economy. Look, I think for the most part many politicians are as slimy as you. But they are slimy because of self preservation. This is the exact opposite of self preservation. The motive doesn’t add up IMO. Regarding deaths, it seems pretty deadly to me. Did you see this interactive graph last week relating COVID19 deaths to other diseases?

This virus is different from other virus in the same way a German Shepard is different from a Poodle. They’re both dogs, they both share the same characteristics, they both have similar behavior traits, but they’re different types of dogs. COVID19 and the flu are fundamentally the same because they are both viruses; they spread similarly and both exhibit the same symptoms. I don’t see that anybody is disputing this. COVID19 is different because it’s 2x more contagious than the flu and the symptoms are delayed. That fact that people unknowingly spread it is it’s most dangerous trait. And we are experiencing higher mortality rates than the flu. It’s 10x more deadly. It didn’t have to be this way. If our elected officials and federal agencies acted on this back in January when they were getting numerous warnings; the social distancing wouldn’t have to be on this scale. If they weren’t ‘blind’ to the virus and had a way to test/track it sooner, then they could have shut specific cities where clusters were present, rather than the whole country. They had 2 months to prepare, but didn’t act until it was too late. This is going to go down in history as one of the most epic failures. Nothing like a good conspiracy theory about ‘population control’ to distract us from this very fact.

Fauci just said they are looking at an antibody test to come out in a few weeks to show who has had it. So, at least there’s that. But a “few week’s” lately has meant: “hopefully a few weeks, but realistically a few months”.

I can get into a long back and forth about the media. By nature, I like to be devil's advocate and I have to catch myself because I know it's annoying to others. But this side to my personality comes out in the news I choose to consume. I have my belief system just like anybody else, but I look for news sources to challenge it because I sincerely want to understand the different points of view. Most of my news is consumed through podcasts and probably the informative and 'level' podcasts out there is NYT's The Daily Podcast. Some of you may read NYT and run for the hills, but the host is very good at questioning without bias.

I'm confused. Didn't the origination of the argument stem from reporting NON COVID19 deaths as COVID19 deaths? Dr. Brix just said "If someone dies with COVID19, we are counting that". She explained that they are 'very liberal' in comparison to other countries. If somebody had an underlying heart issue (for example) and the virus acted as a "gas pedal to death" (my analogy) then the cause of death is COVID 19. Other countries are reporting that just as a heart issue. I'm not sure there is some underlying conspiracy; just a difference in how numbers are collected and reported. I actually think what is described by Dr. Brix is a more accurate representation because technically nobody dies from the virus; they die from heart failure or kidney failure or pneumonia......things COVID19 either causes or accelerates. If you start picking and choosing how close or far a deceased patience was to death before infection then your numbers are going to be subjective and open for interpretation. Counting every death with a positive COVID test is conclusive. ...Not trying to be an expert, just how i understand it.

Jonah Ryan from Veep is the best “annoying tv show character” ever.

That's exactly what I hope he can do, above anything else. Well, maybe not at 35' out but Virginia gets caught in hedges that far out at times, but their bigs are quick back to the paint and the defense seems to recover.

Interesting, I did hear a doctor on TV say that he wouldn't give it to patients with arrhythmia. Also, because it's an immunosuppressant, he said that in his opinion it'd be irresponsible to give to old people with compromised immune systems.

Regarding Hydroxychloroquine, I just find it amazing that everybody has turned into a scientist, doctor or pharmacist overnight. Whether it's reporters, politicians, economists or just people in general. This is getting a little silly. I don't buy that this is political either. Peter Navarro who is an economist in Trump's administration just said this morning there is a debate with in the White House about this drug....a debate amongst everybody who is on the same side politically. It's not political; it's weighing risk vs. reward when nobody has any conclusive proof of the drug's side effects or its success. The facts are that it may have harmed some patients, it may have helped some patients or it might not have done anything at all. This is all anybody really knows right now and to suggest otherwise is not truthful. It's not an easy call. There's valid points on both sides of the issue. It's expected that there'd be some disagreement in this scenario. I don't have an opinion either way because I'm not an expert and I'd rather have the experts figure this out. I'd also rather listen to experts as @Lostin76 suggested. Listen to the scientists, not the pundits or politicians.

That’s gotta be scary for people who actually need the medication. I hope we can find a medication that will help the treatment of COVID, but this and vaccines are going to take time. Placebo effect is real. Side effects are real. It’s a bit frustrating because we could hypothetically stop this disease in its tracks by not going anywhere for 10 days, but there are always going to be people who just can’t adhere to the recommended guidelines. Sheltering in place for 10 days is quicker than any drug trial. Seriously the next person who tells me they aren’t afraid of getting it I want to punch in the face. It’s not about contracting it, it’s about spreading it. I’m simply amazed that people still can’t get this concept. We’re not be asked to storm the beach in Normandy. We’re just being asked to stay at home. Sorry, every now and then I get the urge to vent.

I also learned, from my bank at least, that you have to be a customer to get the loan. Then I heard on the news you can’t go to any bank. If you have no existing business at a bank they’re not going to loan to you because their afraid of fraud...you need that existing relationship.

Anybody watch The Scheme on HBO yet about the FBI investigation into the NCAA pay for play? Worth the watch?

You can watch JFK the movie and come to a lot of conclusions. Or you can watch a History Channel show that explains the mystery of the 'magic bullet' (for example) is not really a mystery - it was a clear shot. The movie overlooked the fact that the back seat was elevated up higher than the front seat. When they leave out this bit of info it looks like the bullet's trajectory wasn't straight. This one tiny thing (a matter of inches) can plant the seed of doubt. By asking more questions than you are answering and/or sources leave out bits of confirmed fact (whether intentional or overlooked) to fit an agenda you can make you can easily make people question that most rational conclusion. When that happens conspiracies are born. It's natural for human imaginations to run wild when the conclusions aren't being produced to their satisfaction.

I’d like to add that while people love a good conspiracy theory, how many on a scale of this magnitude have ever proven to be true? The holocaust didn’t exist? Somebody else killed JFK? 911 was an inside job? Bigfoot? The loch-ness monster? The supposed mind control facility in Alaska?

Wouldn’t this count? Per document: Take your average monthly wages or however you pay yourself x 2.5. *This is why I use an accountant. The site crashed yesterday so a lot of people seem to be taking advantage.

Me too, me too.

For all those who are small business owners or have spouses that are, make sure to look at the relief available to us through the stimulus package. This basically calculates out to a loan that is 2.5 x your average monthly payroll (feb 2019 - Jan 2020) plus other qualifying expenses, which will be forgiven if you retain your employees. Free money to keep small business owners afloat while paying themselves and their employees. Obviously run it past an accountant to make sure it’d apply in your situation. https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/sites/default/files/C3_COVID_EmergencyLoanGuide.pdf tagging @Hoosierhoopster @mrflynn03

Unfortunately those numbers aren’t realistic at this point. 125k cases is old info. The real time numbers Already has it up to 189k right now. We’ll be up to 300k by Friday. This is still going up at a fast rate and not expected to peak until another 2-3 weeks. We’re Probably looking at closer to 1-2 million cases.

It's also important to remember that the alternative would also bring depression, drug addiction, etc. There's no way to know exactly how many lives social distancing will ultimately save, but it will be a lot. And losing a loved one also triggers mental health problems. Not to mention the PTSD that is likely to follow for our frontline healthcare workers.

The fact that they need to have won in an elimination round just to make it to the finals is awesome this season.

I'm writing this knowing full well any reputation I've built up on this board will come crashing down with the following admission... MTV's Challenges are my favorite thing to watch on TV. It's pure trash, but entertaining trash and I look forward to every season. One of my friends has been trying to get me into a fantasy challenge league for the last 3 years. I just might do it for this new season which is starting on Wednesday if I haven't already missed the draft. #wes4life

That article is from March 2nd. And I thought that more recently scientists are learning that one you’ve had it, you are immune...like the chicken pox.