tdhoosier

I haven’t seen that and can’t find news about that? Link?

It’s infuriating that these heroes in out country still can’t get the protective gear they need. Yesterday one of my friends who’s a nurse said that she came to the realization that when all is said and done she thinks a few of her colleagues will die.

EXACTLY. It’s been about 10 years since I watched the show and still say that!

Wow. I watched the first episode of the “Tiger King” and while I was astonished by all the awesomeness going on, I’m not sure my head can handle that degree of overstimulation right now. Haha

I gotta say that GoT and The Wire are possibly the two greatest series ever. Especially The Wire. I’m still amazed that the f’d up societal problems and the bureaucratical block to fix them can so be so well summed up in one series. And the frustratingly great thing about the show is that you get an understanding of the bigger picture, why these problems are so hard to solve, and that the gray area is way bigger than you think. I’m not sure I could ever say that a fictional tv show gave me a more well-rounded perception of our society. If you never watched the show you’d think that last statement is crazy...if you have watched the show you probably know exactly what I’m talking about. This, is why The Wire is one of the best ever.

I'm not sure how you can say that with the slightest degree of confidence; especially writing after the preceding sentence: "We don't even have a hospital". I've heard many interviews where epidemiologists are extremely worried about this spreading inward to the rural areas because they don't have the people, equipment and facilities to handle an outbreak. My business is suffering greatly too and I have the deepest sympathy for you and your wife. But take this scenario: your wife gets the virus at the grocery store and she spreads it to a few of her clients, they spread it to their families, their families spread it to others, etc. I know I don't need to educate you in exponential growth, but it just takes one person to unknowingly spread it. It doesn't matter if they are in a rural area or a city; the virus doesn't discriminate. And in a county with very few or no hospitals, that is extremely dangerous. I also understand your argument above about our constitutional rights and if people weren't contagious for long periods of time before exhibiting symptoms I'd 100% be on board with this line of thinking. But given the lack of testing kits available and the fact that people spread it on accident, I believe these precautions are necessary. At least until people can clear themselves somehow to go out in public, which I believe needs to happen sooner rather than later. The economy can't survive this. Overall, not saying you are right. Not saying you are wrong. This is a catch 22, no doubt. However, saying "rural areas will be fine" at this point given how quickly this has spread, IMO, is a huge underestimation.

Of course we need to question, study and learn from this. But it’s still super early. Also, everybody’s line in the sand different. At what point does the health of our economy over-ride lives - and how many lives will that be? That’s a question none of us want to answer.

I’ve read that article and the others posted about the modeling number being off, and yes, that seems to be correct. But this doesn’t negate the fact that the virus is spreading FAST, many people will die and the hospital systems are already overwhelmed when we aren’t close to hitting the peak. NY had 6,000 new cases in the last 24 hours. That daily number has risen by about 30% every day. Tomorrow it will be more, and it will continue to grow. A lot of people like to compare this to the flu. In the last week of January NY had a reported 8,000 flu cases; now they’re about to have the equivalent of a weeks worth of flu cases in a day. With that current trajectory a day of COAVID19 cases could potentially surpass a month of flu cases. Much of that nation is on the same path as NY. I could be worse if we didn’t begin social distancing. These numbers, as bad as they are right now, are WITH social distancing and STILL people are being denied tests. The actual number (not tested cases) is most likely much higher. Does that mean we’re going to get 2.2 million cases? Probably not. But the trajectory is still gravely concerning. And in New York, the number of cases is already higher than what our healthcare systems can handle. I’m not sure if we’ll ever be able to answer how necessary social distancing truly will be because there are too many variables.

FYI. THe Hoosier hysterics guys interviewed the Geronimo family last week. Worth the listen.

Just couldn’t get into it. We only watched the first 2-3 episodes until we realized we didn’t care about the character or what was going on. So we switched to The Stranger, which has a similar feel but hooked us in the first episode.

It can’t be any Charmin. It’s gotta be the Charmin red label. Extra strong. Extra soft.

Re: the West Virginia outlier. Just horrible incompetence all around. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/us/west-virginia-coronavirus-patient-one-test/index.html I’m hoping not, but I fear this thing is an iceberg. The cases we know about are above the water; all the cases who can’t get tested, don’t decide to get tested or are showing no symptoms are below the water. Stay home folks.

Hope everybody and their families are doing well and healthy. I needed to take a break from news because I was feeling a bit overwhelmed. Really trying to watch less news, and not fixate on stuff I can’t control for my own sanity. So, I watched a lot of Netflix yesterday and played some guitar and feel better mentally. Just a tip if your anxiety is on overdrive. I also realize how fortunate I am to be able to do that right now and can’t tell you how appreciative I am for the front line workers. Especially nurses - you are amazing people.

The best things coming out of these are Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci. National treasures, these two.

Hard to hear these stories. My wife said that yesterday's The Daily podcast was heartbreaking. They interviewed an Italian doctor and he was explaining how they choose who received treatment and who doesn't. They always choose the younger and healthy. He said it's incredibly sad because the older people they can't treat are forced to stay and families obviously can't visit them - and these people are dying alone. I don't know if I can bring myself to listen to it this morning. Especially because I woke up extra anxious. I'm a small business owner and had the incredible urge to clean out my receivables as best as I can because I don't know if anybody in payables departments will be around in 2 weeks. Hopefully an over-reaction, but just another thing to be concerned with.

Good thing I have Godwin in my keeper league. I'm just hoping he doesn't become Brady's 3rd favorite target.

The messaging has been really bad especially why the need to social distance. Case and point, when people keep saying it will be no worse than the seasonal flu. This thinking is missing the point and not necessarily the reason why medical experts are calling for self-isolation. From what I understand, the danger is not so much that it infects people, it's how quickly it spreads through and infects the population. The flu is not as big of a threat to older people or the medically compromised, but most importantly it doesn't get everybody sick all at one time. The 300,000 or so of flu cases are for the most part spread out over 8-9 months. The question you need to ask yourself, is what would happen if 250k of those 300k flu cases hit in a span 2-3 weeks? Would our healthcare system be prepared for it? This is the coronavirus threat - the speed that it spreads. Right now people are able to receive treatment and be put on ventilators, which is keeping the death toll low. What happens when they can't receive treatment? The closest regional hospital to me has 35 ICU beds. What happens if these are all filled when the infections spike 2-3 weeks from now? Where does that 36th and 37th person go? A big portion of the population will ultimately get coronavirus. The effort being made now is not necessarily for people to avoid getting infected completely - it's so that we all don't get infected at one time.

NP. All those breweries I mentioned don’t distribute to Indiana though - just locally. That said, you should be able to find them at a Binnys in Illinois. And in Indiana, 450s distribution is all messed up - I haven’t seen one of their beers in a store up here in a year. There are some other mass produced Hazy IPAs from Goose, Sierra Nevada, Revolution, Sam Adams, etc. in stores, and while many are good, they’re not quite like the ones I mentioned above.

I’ve been a craft beer junkie for more than 10 years. Zombie Dust used to be thee beer a while back. Loaded with citra hops, when fresh it was the best you could get IMO. But due to its popularity, the millions of breweries that seemed to pop up over night started to copy its flavor profile. I can’t tell you how many breweries I’ve been in where they told me ‘this IPA was made to taste like Zombie Dust’. So, now Zombie Dust is another great beer in a sea of great beers. Three Floyds upped its production, demand went down, and now you can get ZD in grocery stores up here in NWI. Which is a great thing. The recent trend for the last year or 2 has been super juicy, hazy IPAs.....otherwise known as New England IPAs. And while you can get those in Indiana, Chicago is where to drink them. (Although I’ve had some pretty good ones from 450 in Columbus). Even been reading in beer publications that many say that NEIPAs are better in Chicago than in New England. If your in the area look for beers by More, Hop Butcher, Noon Whistle, Phase Three and others that I can’t think of right now. I have a Phase Three in my fridge right now and I swear one of those tall cans went down throat hole in under 5 minutes. At 8% sometimes you need to be careful. Haha.

Started the show Lock & Key on Netflix....something to watch with the kids (8 and 10 years old). Good show and everybody likes it.

Edited: Geesh, come on man. That link could not be more politically based. Help me out here!! -blue

Our country and other countries have a lot to learn from this. South Korea was ahead of the curve because they had to deal with SARS - they knew what to do. The threat was real to them. The threat wasn't 'real' 2 months ago. Heck, it wasn't even 'real' a week ago.

Excellent message. We can argue about numbers all we want, pretend to be epidemiologists , blame the media, blame politicians, etc. At some point we need to grab a shovel and dig our way out - it just makes it hard when we don't have any solid facts. When we don't know how long this will last or how far the market will fall. We need to challenge ourselves to stay positive, move on and do our part.

I don't think this is being handled correctly because we are in a reactionary state. The fact that this thing was greatly bungled from the start has put us into a situation where all reported statistics aren't the same. We don't know what's what and have jumped to the situation we're in: we're exercising caution on the unknown rather than being proactive and isolating specific clusters. BUT because we were late, are still learning about the virus and don't know how many people really have it, we were forced to take extreme measures. The maddening thing is that much of this could have been avoided. AND as I'm writing this, we STILL don't have enough testing. Thousands of people are being turned away everyday from taking a test. And all due respect, you are comparing numbers to a years worth of flu deaths (4 strains of it) to a virus that started in January. The flu (and the number infected from it) is also something we are for the most part prepared to treat. Corona is a new virus that's growing exponentially and at a rate that's 2 to 3 times faster than the flu. That's why I said above "wait until next week". I really hope I'm wrong but this thing is likely to surpass a whole year's worth of flu cases very quickly. Like Rogue said, at this point it's about not getting to the point where we overwhelming our healthcare system. And you didn't really answer my question. Is there a point it needs get to for you not to consider the steps taken in the last 5 days an over-reaction? For me, it's doctors choosing who lives and who dies because they don't have enough equipment or resources to treat everyone.

Sometimes it's hard to establish tone in in text, so I don't ask this in a condescending way because I respect you as a poster and a mod. I'm just curious to know: what needs to happen for you to think this is not overblown? Is it if the death toll eventually surpasses that of the flu, or by how much? Is it if we get into a situation like Italy where there's not enough hospital beds to care for the medically compromised - and doctors have to choose lives and dies? Is it, if we begin to run out of healthcare workers because they have been infected? ....because we are in the very beginning stages of this still. I'm coming from a place where I've been listening to epidemiologists, disease experts, doctors, researchers, etc. for the last two months being interviewed on podcasts. At first, I thought that it can't get that bad, we will be prepared, etc., but week by week their predictions have come to fruition. Now, they are saying (and I include 'they' as a infectious disease expert and IU Health researcher who I personally know) the number of cases reported is not close to accurate, the government wasn't prepared with testing kits a month ago and this thing has spread in an uncontrolled environment, the number of infected is going to jump GREATLY at the end of the week (or whenever the testing kits are ready and start yielding results), we won't have enough ventilators and we won't have enough hospital beds. I've heard many people compare this to the flu, which I disagree with. I have not heard ONE expert in infectious diseases say this. Yes many of the same symptoms are the same, but this is the flu on steroids, it's MUCH more contagious, even at low estimates it's much more deadly, and it spreads at a MUCH faster rate. If you want to start comparing numbers to the flu, then wait 2 weeks. Now it's all about flattening the curve to best minimize the chances of our health system being overwhelmed. Perhaps this degree of extreme precautionary measures could've been avoided if we would've been properly prepared to isolate the early cases in the US, but it wasn't, and now we are scrambling and being reactionary. At this point it is what it is. I want to get back to normal life and it hasn't even been a week. Selfishly, I have a medical procedure that's most likely going to get postponed because it's deemed 'elective', I'm self-employed and business is going to get hammered the longer this goes on, I'm ALREADY sick of my own kids, I just had to cancel a vacation, etc. Many are in the same boat - I'm looking at the people not adhering to self isolation, going out to bars, congregating, etc. as those prolonging the time it takes to get back to normal. For everybody: please remember that being responsible gets us back to 'normal' sooner.