5fouls Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, tdhoosier said: I'd recommend listening before making that statement. Not that you are wrong, but I think the answer is somewhere in the middle and he explains why. Like all things in life, you need to listen to both sides' perspective before making a conclusion. He does go off on an interesting tangent about Wisconsin. Basically, that they are coached not to make stupid reaching fouls and don't go over the back. He claims that the officials know the fouling discrepancy (which is always in WI's favor) and feel tons of pressure from the crowd, players and coaches to even it up. Was there any discussion on the over the top antics of some of the coaches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: The coaches should work around the officiating and not the other way around. Blaming the coaches is a copout and shows why the B1G officiating sucks and won't change any time soon. Officials should not be effected by the crowd, coaches or players. They should call the game based on how the game is being played. Stop letting momentum affect how they are calling the game. Tell coaches to shut their traps, call technical when they warrant and uphold the rules. They are the gate keepers, not the coaches or the crowd. If they call a fair game every game, i don't think you're going to see to much clapback from fans or coaches Edited January 19, 2023 by IowaHoosierFan 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: I'd recommend listening before making that statement. Not that you are wrong, but I think the answer is somewhere in the middle and he explains why. Like all things in life, you need to listen to both sides' perspective before making a conclusion. He does go off on an interesting tangent about Wisconsin. Basically, that they are coached not to make stupid reaching fouls and don't go over the back. He claims that the officials know the fouling discrepancy (which is always in WI's favor) and feel tons of pressure from the crowd, players and coaches to even it up. I would listen but it requires installing iTunes to do so. Not going to happen. The coaches get paid millions of dollars to take the necessary steps to win. That includes teaching their players how to play without fouling. You better believe that they (at least the good ones) scout not only their opponents but the officials to know what they can and can't get away with. If the officials call the games how they would be called in the tournament, the coaches and teams will adapt to that. Sure, it might take a few ugly games with lots of fouls and/or coaches getting kicked out but they would adapt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I want to see your 'money' bracket before the tournament starts. I'll show you mine if you show me yours 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: I'll show you mine if you show me yours 😁 I hope we're still talking brackets here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: Officials should not be effected by the crowd, coaches or players. They should call the game based on how the game is being played. Stop letting momentum affect how they are calling the game. Tell coaches to shut their traps, call technical when they warrant and uphold the rules. They are the gate keepers, not the coaches or the crowd. If they call a fair game every game, i don't think you're going to see to much clapback from fans or coaches Yep, they're supposed to be impartial judges. They're human so some of those things might affect them a bit but it shouldn't affect them as much as it does. Letting the crowd affect them is not being impartial so he basically admits that they're not doing their jobs correctly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: Was there any discussion on the over the top antics of some of the coaches. Oh yeah. He was talking about the theatrics and that it's ridiculous. He contributes temperment to the success of NBA guys like Donovan and Stevens because college coach theatrics don't fly in the NBA. They're coaching millionaires on the bench - you can't look like a child. I know people have been asking for Woodson to go crazy on the bench, but Woody is a product of the professionalism of the NBA. I just don't think that's what we'll be seeing out of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Oh yeah. He was talking about the theatrics and that it's ridiculous. He contributes temperment to the success of NBA guys like Donovan and Stevens because college coach theatrics don't fly in the NBA. They're coaching millionaires on the bench - you can't look like a child. I know people have been asking for Woodson to go crazy on the bench, but Woody is a product of the professionalism of the NBA. I just don't think that's what we'll be seeing out of him. While correct, its also a tool he is not using. That other coaches are and will affect the game. The staredown doesn't do anything. Now i am not saying he should go FranCon8 or anything, but getting a technical isn't going to hurt anything in the right situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: I would listen but it requires installing iTunes to do so. Not going to happen. The coaches get paid millions of dollars to take the necessary steps to win. That includes teaching their players how to play without fouling. You better believe that they (at least the good ones) scout not only their opponents but the officials to know what they can and can't get away with. If the officials call the games how they would be called in the tournament, the coaches and teams will adapt to that. Sure, it might take a few ugly games with lots of fouls and/or coaches getting kicked out but they would adapt. It doesn't require iTunes: https://www.spreaker.com/user/movingscreen/former-big-ten-mbb-head-rick-boyages-exp I use Podcast Addict app on my Android phone, you just need an RSS feed to subscribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: I would listen but it requires installing iTunes to do so. Not going to happen. The coaches get paid millions of dollars to take the necessary steps to win. That includes teaching their players how to play without fouling. You better believe that they (at least the good ones) scout not only their opponents but the officials to know what they can and can't get away with. If the officials call the games how they would be called in the tournament, the coaches and teams will adapt to that. Sure, it might take a few ugly games with lots of fouls and/or coaches getting kicked out but they would adapt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUJoe Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, tdhoosier said: He blames the coaching in the B1G. Coaches don’t call fouls. Call the fouls and when a few coaches have seven players sitting beside them who have fouled out, they’ll be forced to coach differently. And T up the coaches who want to whine and bitch about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: I said after our game vs Nebraska that they were going to be tough out there. Does Ohio St have injuries or just hitting a bad stretch? Key has been battling a bad shoulder, missed the MD game. They seem to be in a shooting slump and as their defense has not been good at all this year, that's a tough combo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Oh yeah. He was talking about the theatrics and that it's ridiculous. He contributes temperment to the success of NBA guys like Donovan and Stevens because college coach theatrics don't fly in the NBA. They're coaching millionaires on the bench - you can't look like a child. I know people have been asking for Woodson to go crazy on the bench, but Woody is a product of the professionalism of the NBA. I just don't think that's what we'll be seeing out of him. He doesn't/shouldn't need to. Woodson "handles" the officials fine. He is plenty critical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, IUJoe said: Coaches don’t call fouls. Call the fouls and when a few coaches have seven players sitting beside them who have fouled out, they’ll be forced to coach differently. And T up the coaches who want to whine and bitch about it. Not all that difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Interesting article on the Big 10 and struggles in the tournament... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Jeez guys. I'm not debating or defending. I'm offering a perspective from a side we don't hear from, in the form of a podcast interview. A perspective that we don't hear from inside our little fan bubble. My opinion is that there ARE problems with the officiating and they need to be corrected. But the solutions many are offering on here are surface level solutions. The issue is way deeper - he explains why in the interview. You can agree or disagree with his explanations. Or don't listen. I don't care. That said, some of the answers/explanations you are seeking may get addressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 hours ago, IUFLA said: I wish I could be that sure on anything in life... You seem that sure of plenty of things 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Seeking6 said: I'd like to think the NCAATC would take a hard look at our record when healthy vs not. Just a reminder which may or may not work in our favor but Chris Reynolds is the Tourney Committee Chair this year. He of all people should know how deep the conference is. I will say this though. With our recent conference champs flailing out in 2nd round maybe the committee might be getting tired of just putting 9 Big 10 teams in each year. Health used to matter, and I thought it still matters but haven't seen it confirmed. If X and Race get back, and it results in us playing better, then we are going to get the benefit of the doubt for the losses that happened with them out IMO. A 9-11 finish in conference where we went 4-2 in the games those two played and then won a BTT tournament game is not going to be looked at the same last last year-s 9-11. Factor in the wins over X and UNC with those two being healthy and we'll get in no problem IMO. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 41 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I hope we're still talking brackets here. I committed to meeting up with buddies this year in Vegas for the opening rounds of the NCAAT, right before the Iowa game. First half of the first half I was feeling sooo good... not sweating by any means, but my palms are clammy. Fingers crossed we finish the season strong. I can't think of a more miserable time and place than being there if IU is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, MoyeCowbell said: I committed to meeting up with buddies this year in Vegas for the opening rounds of the NCAAT, right before the Iowa game. First half of the first half I was feeling sooo good... not sweating by any means, but my palms are clammy. Fingers crossed we finish the season strong. I can't think of a more miserable time and place than being there if IU is out. You'll have fun no matter what. We did that trip every March starting around 1997-2004 or so and just like with anything that's awesome word got out and it became a zoo. Literally had to draw straws to see who was going down to book at 5 or 6 in the morning to save seats. My suggestion is find a casino that has a 1 flat fee cost of admission room. We found a deal at Harrah's and I'll never forget watching hoops with about 500 other people while also watching our military drop missile after missile looking for Saddam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: You seem that sure of plenty of things 🤷♂️ As I said, positivity is a trait... I'll give you that 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said: While correct, its also a tool he is not using. That other coaches are and will affect the game. The staredown doesn't do anything. Now i am not saying he should go FranCon8 or anything, but getting a technical isn't going to hurt anything in the right situation. While I agree getting a tech isn't bad, I think he actually has done plenty to warrant techs at any other level of basketball. It's just so ridiculous what college coaches get away with. I partially put that on the officiating, but also on the conferences. Start suspending Izzo and Fran when they act like 2 year olds who need a timeout and they may stop.... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Seeking6 said: You'll have fun no matter what. We did that trip every March starting around 1997-2004 or so and just like with anything that's awesome word got out and it became a zoo. Literally had to draw straws to see who was going down to book at 5 or 6 in the morning to save seats. My suggestion is find a casino that has a 1 flat fee cost of admission room. We found a deal at Harrah's and I'll never forget watching hoops with about 500 other people while also watching our military drop missile after missile looking for Saddam. I was at the first round games in the RCA Dome when all if those bombings were going off. At halftime and between games everyone was going out and watching the news. Edited January 20, 2023 by IU Scott 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUJoe Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 6 hours ago, tdhoosier said: Jeez guys. I'm not debating or defending. I'm offering a perspective from a side we don't hear from, in the form of a podcast interview. A perspective that we don't hear from inside our little fan bubble. My opinion is that there ARE problems with the officiating and they need to be corrected. But the solutions many are offering on here are surface level solutions. The issue is way deeper - he explains why in the interview. You can agree or disagree with his explanations. Or don't listen. I don't care. That said, some of the answers/explanations you are seeking may get addressed. I don’t think anyone was arguing with you. I know I wasn’t. I was stating that the particular point made in the podcast that coaches are to blame for officials not calling fouls is ridiculous. I don’t think it’s a really deep issue. Fouls are called on Big 10 teams in the NCAA Tournament, so they can be called in conference play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 7 hours ago, MoyeCowbell said: I committed to meeting up with buddies this year in Vegas for the opening rounds of the NCAAT, right before the Iowa game. First half of the first half I was feeling sooo good... not sweating by any means, but my palms are clammy. Fingers crossed we finish the season strong. I can't think of a more miserable time and place than being there if IU is out. I just bought my tickets to Des Moines 1st and 2nd rounds. This is my 3rd year going. So much fun. Got to watch IU beat Kentucky. So much fun lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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