The Daily Hoosier Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Today is the anniversary of IU beating UNC and Michael Jordan in 1984 in the Sweet 16. Take a look back at that game, including an analysis of whether Dan Dakich really did shut down MJ. Is this the greatest upset ever for IU? https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/this-date-in-hoosier-history-indiana-takes-down-no-1-north-carolina/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 If you watch the game Dakich shut no one down. Jordan missed up shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I'm partial to the upset of Duke in the 2002 tournament, especially in hindsight when you consider how the career of Mike Davis at IU turned out. Duke had, what, 3 NBA All Stars on that team, and we had AJ Moye getting minutes at the 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Great read. I'd nominate IU over 37-1 and #1 ranked UNLV in the 1987 National Semi-finals. Can't tell you how many times I heard IU was going to get killed by Gillam and Banks (who were both phenomenal, by the way) that week leading up to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I'd call that all 100% accurate. DD didn't morph into Gary Payton for that game. Knight had a good game plan, and Dakich stuck to it. It's easy to forget that at the time, Jordan's jump shot was average at best. Does Dan deserve credit? Absolutely. That said, Jordan may have been the best player in college at the time, but he hadn't become the greatest ever yet. As for IU's biggest upset, we talking tournament, regular season or both? Tournament, I'd say it's split between this UNC game and '02 Duke. Regular season included? The WatShot game has to be up there. Unranked, knocking off #1 which winds up being the only regular season loss for the eventual *gag* national champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Daily Hoosier Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1984 UNC 1987 UNLV 2002 Duke 2011 Kentucky Are these the best upsets ever? 2001 Big Ten Tourney over Illinois? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1986 #14 Cleveland State beating #3 IU ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Reacher said: 1986 #14 Cleveland State beating #3 IU ? If you're going to go that route, may as well throw Richmond and Pepperdine on the fire as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: Great read. I'd nominate IU over 37-1 and #1 ranked UNLV in the 1987 National Semi-finals. Can't tell you how many times I heard IU was going to get killed by Gillam and Banks (who were both phenomenal, by the way) that week leading up to the game. Nice one. That might've have been one of RMK's best coaching jobs. Decided to run with them instead of slowing it down and had a couple of other tweaks that worked as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: Nice one. That might've have been one of RMK's best coaching jobs. Decided to run with them instead of slowing it down and had a couple of other tweaks that worked as well. My high school coach for a Saturday game in which we were playing against a face paced team that did not press but got the ball and ran like crazy. Much more athletic but would struggle with our press if we could get it in place. In a move of coaching genius after our shoot around that day and I can't remember the reason but there was only a varsity game that day. Coach decided to put up new nets . I don't know if it slowed them down much if any but our press killed them and we blew them out that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Good article however I do question this quote from it..... "The Hoosiers struggled out of the gate with an embarrassing home loss to Miami of Ohio and would later lose to UTEP in the pre-conference schedule. " Miami(OH) went 24-6 that year and made the NCAAT. They featured a young Ron Harper and beat the Hoosiers 63-57 at AH. Embarrassing at the time, perhaps, but looking back it was a quality loss. As far as UTEP...They finished the year 27-4, were #9 in the final rankings, and got a #4 seed in the NCAAT. The Miners beat us 65-61 on their floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, rico said: Miami(OH) went 24-6 that year and made the NCAAT. They featured a young Ron Harper and beat the Hoosiers 63-57 at AH. Embarrassing at the time, perhaps, but looking back it was a quality loss. Note to IU's coach in 2040: See if Ron Harper Jr has any kids that play basketball. Guys named Ron Harper seem to play decent against us, may as well recruit one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, rico said: Good article however I do question this quote from it..... "The Hoosiers struggled out of the gate with an embarrassing home loss to Miami of Ohio and would later lose to UTEP in the pre-conference schedule. " Miami(OH) went 24-6 that year and made the NCAAT. They featured a young Ron Harper and beat the Hoosiers 63-57 at AH. Embarrassing at the time, perhaps, but looking back it was a quality loss. As far as UTEP...They finished the year 27-4, were #9 in the final rankings, and got a #4 seed in the NCAAT. The Miners beat us 65-61 on their floor. Rico’s knowledge is encyclopedic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Good article, TDH. Some extremely good memories there. Knight gave us a consistent tactical advantage. Nobody can get every strategy right, but on a consistent basis, he was playing chess while the other guy was playing checkers. In many ways, Indiana is built to win if the administration is not as clumsy as it’s been for the better part of two decades. I think Archie emphasizes many of the correct principles and should be successful. But I haven’t seen anything that says he’s a special tactician like we used to have. The good news is that if Archie’s system is deployed correctly and he recruits tougher minded kids, we can still excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: But I haven’t seen anything that says he’s a special tactician like we used to have. I'm not saying we couldn't get someone that is superior to their current peers, but RMK is probably one of the top 5 basketball tacticians of all time. We could find an objectively great tactician and he might fall short of Knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Daily Hoosier Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 hours ago, rico said: Good article however I do question this quote from it..... "The Hoosiers struggled out of the gate with an embarrassing home loss to Miami of Ohio and would later lose to UTEP in the pre-conference schedule. " Miami(OH) went 24-6 that year and made the NCAAT. They featured a young Ron Harper and beat the Hoosiers 63-57 at AH. Embarrassing at the time, perhaps, but looking back it was a quality loss. As far as UTEP...They finished the year 27-4, were #9 in the final rankings, and got a #4 seed in the NCAAT. The Miners beat us 65-61 on their floor. That's really good context, but I doubt any set of facts would ever be enough to get me or most others comfortable with a home loss to Miami of Ohio, especially not in that era. But the context IS really key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Zlinedavid said: I'm not saying we couldn't get someone that is superior to their current peers, but RMK is probably one of the top 5 basketball tacticians of all time. We could find an objectively great tactician and he might fall short of Knight. I think one of the problems we as IU fans have is that we try to compare every coach to RMK. It is the same ting that happens at UCLA and to me that is a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: I think one of the problems we as IU fans have is that we try to compare every coach to RMK. It is the same ting that happens at UCLA and to me that is a recipe for disaster. That’s a fair concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 To this day, I have never been able to get over our first round loss to Cleveland State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsStoller Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, milehiiu said: To this day, I have never been able to get over our first round loss to Cleveland State. That was definitely a disappointing loss!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 For me, Cleveland State was the big shocker. Moreso than the others, which is why I labeled it as my biggest upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Duke 2002 for me. I thought we had a realistic chance in all of the other games mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: Duke 2002 for me. I thought we had a realistic chance in all of the other games mentioned. You thought we had a realistic chance in '84? If so, then you were one of the few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, rico said: You thought we had a realistic chance in '84? If so, then you were one of the few. When Bobby was in his prime I gave us a realistic shot every game. He was a master then. Now Mike Davis v Coach K I was certain we'd lose by 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, dbmhoosier said: When Bobby was in his prime I gave us a realistic shot every game. He was a master then. Now Mike Davis v Coach K I was certain we'd lose by 20. Fair enough....but IMO that '84 Tar Heel team was the most talented I have ever seen in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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