Long Duk Dong Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Please discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 So far Holtmanns eaten Archie’s lunch. Hopefully it changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Long Duk Dong said: Please discuss. Why don't we discuss why you are always negative and can't see any positive in anything you discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Why don't we discuss why you are always negative and can't see any positive in anything you discuss. Long Duk Dong IU Fan. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Every situation is different..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Were you the caller on the DD show about 2:15 who got on there and started ripping Archie and saying he should be gone. also asked DD if he thought Archie should be fired and DD ripped his butt and told him to get off his line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Were you the caller on the DD show about 2:15 who got on there and started ripping Archie and saying he should be gone. also asked DD if he thought Archie should be fired and DD ripped his butt and told him to get off his line. the thing is is that around 1230 Dan ripped Archie and said he couldn't coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Archie has a higher career winning percentage. Archie has been to an Elite 8. Holtman has not. Archie is younger. Is that what you were looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Long Duk Dong IU Fan. Discuss. Duck's have Dongs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, rico said: Duck's have Dongs? Yes. But, even the Long ones are still tiny in comparison to other animal species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: the thing is is that around 1230 Dan ripped Archie and said he couldn't coach. He also said that 2 years is not enough time to judge a coach as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 How about Holtman had better talent his first year and played a similar style to Matta so it was easier for the players to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Not to derail this thread, but should we really be using what Dakich says to justify anything. The dude talks out of both sides of his mouth one hundred percent of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Long Duk Dong said: Please discuss. ...within the numerous other threads "discussing" this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Holtmann is far and away the exception in terms of results within a coach's first three years in a new position. I'd be glad to dig my research back up, if you need a refresher there, Dong Kong Phooey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 We endured 9 years of roller coaster with Crean. If we forgo the first 2 years of Crean, that's still 7 years. Why can't we give time and proper support to Archie? I think Archie should get a free pass for his first season at IU. He did underachieve in the past season; wish he learned how to control egos and jealousy in the locker room. I believe it was the first time he had to deal with it because all players he had at Dayton were 2~3 star blue collar type players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Duk Dong Posted May 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, addictedtoIU said: We endured 9 years of roller coaster with Crean. If we forgo the first 2 years of Crean, that's still 7 years. Why can't we give time and proper support to Archie? I think Archie should get a free pass for his first season at IU. He did underachieve in the past season; wish he learned how to control egos and jealousy in the locker room. I believe it was the first time he had to deal with it because all players he had at Dayton were 2~3 star blue color type players. I want blue collar 4 and high 3 stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, FW_Hoosier said: My sentiments exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Long Duk Dong said: I want blue collar 4 and high 3 stars Next season: "Why can't Archie ever get 5 stars/McDonalds All- Americans?" "It's embarrassing to see Mr. Basketball go out of state. I can't believe IU can't recruit at that level." "I thought my Breaking Away royalty checks would be a lot larger." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford1432 Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said: So far Holtmanns eaten Archie’s lunch. Hopefully it changes Holtmann is also killing us right now on the recruiting trail. Just got another top 60 verbal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bedford1432 said: Holtmann is also killing us right now on the recruiting trail. Just got another top 60 verbal. Emphasis on right now. Next week, you could be saying the exact opposite. Recruiting ebbs and flows. That's true with any program...even Kensucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, Long Duk Dong said: I want blue collar 4 and high 3 stars Hey man, then you'll be the first one to criticize Archie's recruiting if we lose to teams of high 4 stars and 5 stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Duk Dong Posted May 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, addictedtoIU said: Hey man, then you'll be the first one to criticize Archie's recruiting if we lose to teams of high 4 stars and 5 stars. Well the theory is that once you start winning more and more, high 4 star and an occasional 5 star will will be added to the mix. I'm kind of done with chasing one and done players. I like what UNC, Virginia and Nova does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 57 minutes ago, Bedford1432 said: Holtmann is also killing us right now on the recruiting trail. Just got another top 60 verbal. Holtmann didn't want the IU job. Didn't want to deal with the fishbowl that Archie is dealing with now. At some point the fans have to realize not every coach is up for the challenge of coaching at IU. It's time to start appreciating the guys who are. I would argue it's one of the most difficult jobs in the country (because of the fans expectations and the attention the program gets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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