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addictedtoIU

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6 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

No doubt. He is so gifted. The play where he missed a shot and QUICKLY rebounced for the put back shows his gifts are very high. He has a toughness too.

 

He is going to be really really good, agreed.

Smith played high school ball in Chicago area, but for some odd reason, he was underrated. Looking at his several highlights in high school, I thought I wouldn't be surprised if he was high 4 star (40 ~ 50th in his class). 

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2 minutes ago, addictedtoIU said:

Durham can be that diamond in the rough Crean desperately searched all over. But the thing is if Crean was here, I'm quite sure Durham wouldn't have gotten much playing time. 

He'd be working on mastering the  'jumping in the air (most likely over the baseline) passes'.

It's funny because there have been a couple of times this year when I watched Newkirk drive straight at the baseline, only to hold up at the last second. It's almost like he has a thought bubble that pops up over his head that says: " hold up! if I do this, coach is going to make me run until I puke."

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2 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

He'd be working on mastering the  'jumping in the air (most likely over the baseline) passes'.

It's funny because there have been a couple of times this year when I watched Newkirk drive straight at the baseline, only to hold up at the last second. It's almost like he has a thought bubble that pops up over his head that says: " hold up! if I do this, coach is going to make me run until I puke."

Green still does this and it's part of the reason he leads the team in TO's (Tied with RoJo but I'm giving him 1st place because he plays 10 minutes per game less). I'm really happy that this is no longer an acceptable practice for IU basketball. I saw Archie rip into Green for taking the ball off the dribble straight into a corner only to get trapped and cough up the ball...he clearly has some bad habits that will need to be broken but I enjoy witnessing the accountability from Archie that wasn't there with Crean. 

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A funny moment last night was when CAM got called for a tech when he threw a towel against the bunting on the press/scorer's table and it flew onto the floor.  The ref teed him up, and he started pointing at himself indicating "my bad".  CAM will either have to dump the towel or become better it getting the "rebound".

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9 minutes ago, Hoosier82 said:

Green still does this and it's part of the reason he leads the team in TO's (Tied with RoJo but I'm giving him 1st place because he plays 10 minutes per game less). I'm really happy that this is no longer an acceptable practice for IU basketball. I saw Archie rip into Green for taking the ball off the dribble straight into a corner only to get trapped and cough up the ball...he clearly has some bad habits that will need to be broken but I enjoy witnessing the accountability from Archie that wasn't there with Crean. 

Can somebody with better basketball knowledge explain why this always happened in Crean's offense? If me, an average Joe who watches games in my boxers on the couch, can point to this problem then why did it always happen and was never fixed? Was it the result of a blown up play? I know Crean liked to have his wings run the baseline without the ball to get behind the defense, was getting stuck in the corner or the 'jumping over the baseline passes' a result of the wings being not being in position? Or just opposing defenses being properly prepared for this to happen? a mixture of both? 

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I'm not going to celebrate halves. I'm not celebrating playing a good first half against Seton Hall and I'm not celebrating a decent second half against USF. This isn't 2008 and this team should not have to work to play a full game of basketball. Glad we finally realized we are supposed to dominate teams who went 1-17 in conference play last year at Assembly Hall. If we don't blow the absolute brakes off of Arkansas State and Eastern Michigan for 80 full minutes, we have no prayer of keeping it within 15 points against Duke. 
 

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25 minutes ago, slojoe said:

A funny moment last night was when CAM got called for a tech when he threw a towel against the bunting on the press/scorer's table and it flew onto the floor.  The ref teed him up, and he started pointing at himself indicating "my bad".  CAM will either have to dump the towel or become better it getting the "rebound".

Heard the official cause of the technical was not the towel Archie threw, but the paper from the scorer's table he caused to come onto the floor. 

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8 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

Can somebody with better basketball knowledge explain why this always happened in Crean's offense? If me, an average Joe who watches games in my boxers on the couch, can point to this problem then why did it always happen and was never fixed? Was it the result of a blown up play? I know Crean liked to have his wings run the baseline without the ball to get behind the defense, was getting stuck in the corner or the 'jumping over the baseline passes' a result of the wings being not being in position? Or just opposing defenses being properly prepared for this to happen? a mixture of both? 

I partially blame Yogi as this wasn't a thing at IU until he showed up and it was absolutely his MO for all four years....he was just better at it than most which still didn't make it a good basketball play. The reason it fails so often is because often your teammates aren't reacting to what you're doing by cutting into the lane where there is space to either be open for a pass or get position to get a rebound if the driver attempts the lay in/fall away jumper. Even worse is when they are standing around in the space you're attempting to occupy with your drive and thus clogging up the baseline. If your teammates are standing around watching you then there's no where to go with the ball once you leave your feet and you're in no mans land....defenders are between the ball handler and his teammates unless they cut to the open space on the floor.

If you're searching for logic as to why a team would operate like this, you're not going to find much (if any). It's more common when you have a guard who likes to get to the rim but has issues finishing among the trees. I think it was something Yogi brought to Crean's offense and he never did anything to curtail it and then others observed and imitated it accordingly, partially because I think Yogi needed to do this in being so small and partially because I think he had a lot of success with it in high school....just my opinion though, I'd love to hear other's on this.

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15 hours ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

If you're talking about Hartman he has never been a big scorer.  I hate that everyone keep thinking a guys who hasn't played ion 3 years and when he did, didn't average more than 6 points a game is going to be this huge savior for us.  Its not fair to him or the team.  He isn't that type of player.

He has not missed the last 3 years because  he only missed last year and the first 4 games this year.  He played a key role in the team winning the conference 2 years ago.

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35 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

He has not missed the last 3 years because  he only missed last year and the first 4 games this year.  He played a key role in the team winning the conference 2 years ago.

I stand corrected on the amount of time he has missed.  But please don't tell me played  key role ion winning the conference title in 15-16

Here are his career stats.  I am no discounting his hustle and perceived leadership ability.  But lets not act like he dominated in any area.

SEASON GP GS Min Avg FG FGA PCT FG FGA PCT FT FTA PCT OFF DEF TOT AVG PF FO AST T/O BLK STL PTS AVG
Total 83 36 1468 17.7 121 257 .471 58 145 .400 40 56 .714 88 134 222 2.7 174 4 87 59 30 49 340 4.1
2013-14 16 0 72 4.5 5 11 .455 0 3 .000 1 2 .500 7 8 15 0.9 5 0 1 0 1 5 11 0.7
2014-15 32 12 631 19.7 51 102 .500 29 61 .475 23 35 .657 46 52 98 3.1 70 1 26 22 19 16 154 4.8
2015-16 35 24 765 21.9 65 144 .451 29 81 .358 16 19 .842 35 74 109 3.1 99 3 60 37 10 28 175 5.0
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3 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

I stand corrected on the amount of time he has missed.  But please don't tell me played  key role ion winning the conference title in 15-16

Here are his career stats.  I am no discounting his hustle and perceived leadership ability.  But lets not act like he dominated in any area.

SEASON GP GS Min Avg FG FGA PCT FG FGA PCT FT FTA PCT OFF DEF TOT AVG PF FO AST T/O BLK STL PTS AVG
Total 83 36 1468 17.7 121 257 .471 58 145 .400 40 56 .714 88 134 222 2.7 174 4 87 59 30 49 340 4.1
2013-14 16 0 72 4.5 5 11 .455 0 3 .000 1 2 .500 7 8 15 0.9 5 0 1 0 1 5 11 0.7
2014-15 32 12 631 19.7 51 102 .500 29 61 .475 23 35 .657 46 52 98 3.1 70 1 26 22 19 16 154 4.8
2015-16 35 24 765 21.9 65 144 .451 29 81 .358 16 19 .842 35 74 109 3.1 99 3 60 37 10 28 175 5.0

I definitely don’t think he’s going to come back and magically turn this team into a tournament team, but starting 24/35 games and playing 22 mpg is most definitely playing a key role.

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7 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

I stand corrected on the amount of time he has missed.  But please don't tell me played  key role ion winning the conference title in 15-16

Here are his career stats.  I am no discounting his hustle and perceived leadership ability.  But lets not act like he dominated in any area.

SEASON GP GS Min Avg FG FGA PCT FG FGA PCT FT FTA PCT OFF DEF TOT AVG PF FO AST T/O BLK STL PTS AVG
Total 83 36 1468 17.7 121 257 .471 58 145 .400 40 56 .714 88 134 222 2.7 174 4 87 59 30 49 340 4.1
2013-14 16 0 72 4.5 5 11 .455 0 3 .000 1 2 .500 7 8 15 0.9 5 0 1 0 1 5 11 0.7
2014-15 32 12 631 19.7 51 102 .500 29 61 .475 23 35 .657 46 52 98 3.1 70 1 26 22 19 16 154 4.8
2015-16 35 24 765 21.9 65 144 .451 29 81 .358 16 19 .842 35 74 109 3.1 99 3 60 37 10 28 175 5.0

We had a lot more talent on that 2015-16 team than we do now. It's not fair to project his potential role in this year's team based on the year he had then. Also from what I'm told he's really improved his shooting which is something we could really use this year. Having a guy who can knock down open 3's will allow our guards to get to the basket and feed guys like Morgan and Davis on a more consistent basis. Hartman could provide a missing element that could propel us into a solid team but we wont know until he sees the court. 

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11 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

I stand corrected on the amount of time he has missed.  But please don't tell me played  key role ion winning the conference title in 15-16

Here are his career stats.  I am no discounting his hustle and perceived leadership ability.  But lets not act like he dominated in any area.

SEASON GP GS Min Avg FG FGA PCT FG FGA PCT FT FTA PCT OFF DEF TOT AVG PF FO AST T/O BLK STL PTS AVG
Total 83 36 1468 17.7 121 257 .471 58 145 .400 40 56 .714 88 134 222 2.7 174 4 87 59 30 49 340 4.1
2013-14 16 0 72 4.5 5 11 .455 0 3 .000 1 2 .500 7 8 15 0.9 5 0 1 0 1 5 11 0.7
2014-15 32 12 631 19.7 51 102 .500 29 61 .475 23 35 .657 46 52 98 3.1 70 1 26 22 19 16 154 4.8
2015-16 35 24 765 21.9 65 144 .451 29 81 .358 16 19 .842 35 74 109 3.1 99 3 60 37 10 28 175 5.0

There is way more to basketball than just stats.  Every winning team has to have a couple of players who know how to play their role and do the little things to win the game.

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3Ballin

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5 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Every team in the country has mins for a player like CH. 

Was is the Xavier coach a couple years ago asking where he could get a couole more guys like CH??  We won't make a lot of noise nationally with 15 Hartmans, but we won't make any noise if we don't have 1 or 2 either. 

And as far as Green goes, I see some of Troy in him. Meaning he's not going to be a very steady player (yet).  Right now it seems like he is going to go gang busters or flatline but you gotta play him enough to figure out which one it will be. 

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26 minutes ago, 3Ballin said:

Was is the Xavier coach a couple years ago asking where he could get a couole more guys like CH??  We won't make a lot of noise nationally with 15 Hartmans, but we won't make any noise if we don't have 1 or 2 either. 

And as far as Green goes, I see some of Troy in him. Meaning he's not going to be a very steady player (yet).  Right now it seems like he is going to go gang busters or flatline but you gotta play him enough to figure out which one it will be. 

Funny, I was just wondering today when people would start the "good Devonte, bad Devonte" meme like they did with Troy.  I get the feeling he'll learn to concentrate the whole time faster than Troy did, though.

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1 hour ago, BoomBaby said:

Funny, I was just wondering today when people would start the "good Devonte, bad Devonte" meme like they did with Troy.  I get the feeling he'll learn to concentrate the whole time faster than Troy did, though.

I do too. I think he sees the floor better than anybody else on our team and he is confident enough that he thinks he can thread the ball in anywhere. Now that has its ups and downs. Some guys dont see the openings he does and arent ready/expecting the ball----turnover. Other times he has no business trying to make the play he is trying to make and needs to think about his mistake on the bench. But, if he can ever get to the middle gound and stay there......watch out cuz he will be flat out dangerous. 

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