cybergates Posted February 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, rogue3542 said: I feel like the best path would be to have a composite ranking that the committee uses: Just take KenPom, RPI, Sagarin, BPI, and NET, average them out, and then use that for the ranking. Probably the best way to it. Each ranking has it's own weakness. Averaging them all out would probably get you as close to reality as possible. Like this? https://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm Someone else on here brought it to my/our attention. Can't remember who or I'd give credit where credit's due. Honestly, with that many rankings making up the composite I'd be ok if they went BCS football style and just used it to fill in the tournament, accounting for the auto bids of course. Teams would know where they stand going into conference tournaments and selection Sunday and there should be less bitching about being left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, rogue3542 said: I don't buy that we are on the bubble. If we win both home games, we definitely aren't. If we lose out, THEN I think we'd be on the bubble, but I really don't see that happening. Even just one more win locks us into the tournament. Our team sheet is going to look pretty good comparatively. Our net is an outlier because we got blown out a couple times on the road. Otherwise, we'd be in the thirties like we are on most other stats. We aren't now but if we win only one of our remaining games... that is last team in/first team out territory. Those stats in the 30s will drop if we lose 3 of 4. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue3542 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, Indy1987 said: We aren't now but if we win only one of our remaining games... that is last team in/first team out territory. Those stats in the 30s will drop if we lose 3 of 4. Go Hoosiers!!! Our resume is too strong. Low seed, yes. Bubble? I don't think so. One more win does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, rogue3542 said: Our resume is too strong. Low seed, yes. Bubble? I don't think so. One more win does it I really think we need to beat both Minny and Wisconsin or beat Minny and win one in the BTT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, rogue3542 said: Our resume is too strong. Low seed, yes. Bubble? I don't think so. One more win does it Appreciate being positive about our chances. But for the longest time, I have been saying it takes 20 wins to secure a birth. And we have more opportunities in which to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 Two more wins is a guaranteed berth. Does not matter who or where. One more win and we have to worry about bid stealers from conference tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 With their losses yesterday, NET dropped Baylor from 2nd to 5th, the Seminoles dropped 5 spots from 7th to 12th and Maryland tumbled 6 spots from 9th to 15th. Duke stayed the same at number 6. That was the same drop that they experienced after their last loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 26 minutes ago, rico said: With their losses yesterday, NET dropped Baylor from 2nd to 5th, the Seminoles dropped 5 spots from 7th to 12th and Maryland tumbled 6 spots from 9th to 15th. Duke stayed the same at number 6. That was the same drop that they experienced after their last loss. I’m surprised Duke did not go from 6 up to 3 after losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, rico said: With their losses yesterday, NET dropped Baylor from 2nd to 5th, the Seminoles dropped 5 spots from 7th to 12th and Maryland tumbled 6 spots from 9th to 15th. Duke stayed the same at number 6. That was the same drop that they experienced after their last loss. That can’t be a coincidence can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Maryland coming down to earth. Lost 2 of 3 including being soundly beaten at home by MSU. The one win was a squeaker at Minnesota. The B1G schedule is like an NFL schedule. You have to have the resolve to come out every single night or you are going to get taken down. No other conference has that year in year out. The top coaches know how to navigate that. It’s grueling to be able to do it all the way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Duke not dropping at all again. What a joke. K must get bonus points for just being on the sideline. Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, BobSaccamanno said: Maryland coming down to earth. Lost 2 of 3 including being soundly beaten at home by MSU. The one win was a squeaker at Minnesota. The B1G schedule is like an NFL schedule. You have to have the resolve to come out every single night or you are going to get taken down. No other conference has that year in year out. The top coaches know how to navigate that. It’s grueling to be able to do it all the way through. Can’t say I’m surprised that the typically underachieving east coast teams are coming back to Earth (Maryland, PSU, Rutgers). The fact that all of those teams were competing toward the top of the conference this season makes me think it was pretty weak as far as top end teams go. #1-12 in the conference are better than it’s been in a while, but #1-5 are worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, rico said: With their losses yesterday, NET dropped Baylor from 2nd to 5th, the Seminoles dropped 5 spots from 7th to 12th and Maryland tumbled 6 spots from 9th to 15th. Duke stayed the same at number 6. That was the same drop that they experienced after their last loss. The stupid thing about this is that the NET thinks Duke is so good that they should not drop Yet, Virginia, who beats Duke, only moves up 1 spot. Meanwhile, Richmond, who beat that powerhouse UMASS program moves up 3 spots. Providence moves up 6 spots for beating Villanova, who drops 4. How does Providence beating Villanova cause such a swing in the team's rankings, while Virginia beating Duke does not move things at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Monday morning update. Net 54 Sagarin 31 rpi 53 bpi 39 strength of record 27 kenpom 38 massey ratings avg of 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 3:41 PM, TheWatShot said: Here is a realistic scenario I could see happening for our remaining games: We lose at Illinois this weekend. Nothing extraordinary, just another run of the mill Big Ten road loss where we score in the 50's. We beat Minnesota at home, but do it unimpressively. We lose at home to Wisconsin, because we beat them about as often as we beat Purdue anymore. We go one and done in the BTT like we do every year, and suddenly we're sitting at 19-13 with a NET ranking in the 60's, and a handful of stat geeks projecting we're out of the tournament. NET rankings are trash. Bring back RPI. Right on the first two, regarding outcomes. Hoping to be wrong on the next two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornHoosier Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 6:09 PM, milehiiu said: Appreciate being positive about our chances. But for the longest time, I have been saying it takes 20 wins to secure a birth. And we have more opportunities in which to do that. It’s sad that an IU team with multiple Quad 1 wins playing in the B10 and with the toughest schedule is even remotely on the bubble or fighting for a spot? Meanwhile, Seton Hall, Villanova & Dayton are all RANKED. The underdog has killed this tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, BornHoosier said: It’s sad that an IU team with multiple Quad 1 wins playing in the B10 and with the toughest schedule is even remotely on the bubble or fighting for a spot? Meanwhile, Seton Hall, Villanova & Dayton are all RANKED. The underdog has killed this tournament. Multiple quad 1 wins... and a ton of blowout road losses. Regardless, Dayton is legit. Don’t know much about Nova or Seton Hall this year, but Dayton is a final four contender in my book. Toppin is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, madmax said: Multiple quad 1 wins... and a ton of blowout road losses. Regardless, Dayton is legit. Don’t know much about Nova or Seton Hall this year, but Dayton is a final four contender in my book. Toppin is amazing. Funny thing about Dayton...the A-10 is perhaps a 1 bid league if the Flyers win the CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, rico said: Funny thing about Dayton...the A-10 is perhaps a 1 bid league if the Flyers win the CT. If IU and Dayton swapped conferences, each would also get the other's conference record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, 5fouls said: If IU and Dayton swapped conferences, each would also get the other's conference record. Dayton is getting a lot of love and rightfully so...but who have they beat? Saint Mary's? By my count that is the only NCAAT team they have beat that I am aware of. I don't know if IU would go undefeated in the A-10, but Dayton would be lucky to get 10 wins in the B1G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy1987 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Today's NET dropped Minnesota two spots to #47. Not surprisingly IU doesn't move at all(#54). SMH Go Hoosiers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Indy1987 said: Today's NET dropped Minnesota two spots to #47. Not surprisingly IU doesn't move at all(#54). SMH Go Hoosiers!!! The NET has to be the worst metric ever designed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: The NET has to be the worst metric ever designed. Tune in tomorrow. Same NET time, same NET channel for another exciting episode of..."The NET has a hole in it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyHoosier Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 We need a win away from home against a top 25 team for our NET ranking to move significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, CincyHoosier said: We need a win away from home against a top 25 team for our NET ranking to move significantly. Well that ain't happening.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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