DC2345 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Just now, btownqb said: I would say that's most of it, that and our process in getting open perimeter shots.... sucks. That's a problem too. Just now, btownqb said: any any any chance Ware comes back? No. He's a first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 All I am saying is that if you see a consistent problem over the years, you look at what some of the constance are in the program. It isn't really saying he is bad at his job but just make a change to make changes. If things aren't working then you look at everything and you change things up to see if it makes things better. If it is strength coaches or assistants or the team of doctors or trainers. Over these years we have had constant injuries and it is time to see if their is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Just now, IU Scott said: All I am saying is that if you see a consistent problem over the years, you look at what some of the constance are in the program. It isn't really saying he is bad at his job but just make a change to make changes. If things aren't working then you look at everything and you change things up to see if it makes things better. If it is strength coaches or assistants or the team of doctors or trainers. Over these years we have had constant injuries and it is time to see if their is a problem. The consistent problem is a lack of recruiting true shooters. Prior to McNeeley IU hasn't landed a guy that was a true shooter with a legitimate track record as a shooter since Kopp. Prior to him it was all the way back to when Crean was the Coach. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: just make a change to make changes. @IU Scott I respect you as a poster, but if you're in charge of something, that's the absolute worst thing you can do 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, DC2345 said: The consistent problem is a lack of recruiting true shooters. Prior to McNeeley IU hasn't landed a guy that was a true shooter with a legitimate track record as a shooter since Kopp. Prior to him it was all the way back to when Crean was the Coach. I saw Gunn plenty of times in high school and he was a really good shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Just now, IU Scott said: I saw Gunn plenty of times in high school and he was a really good shooter. He was streaky and was more of an athlete in HS than a knock down shooter. He was also a volume shooter and he's not that at IU. IU has landed more guys that projected as shooters rather than actual shooters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: @IU Scott I respect you as a poster, but if you're in charge of something, that's the absolute worst thing you can do So is dong the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, the definition not insanity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Robby Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 17 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Cupps Newton MM Reneau McNeeley Sparks 6 to 7 transfers DC any pre-portal rumblings? 6-7 is quite a few spots to fill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Just now, Coach Robby said: DC any pre-portal rumblings? 6-7 is quite a few spots to fill... If Thorton from OSU goes in the portal I would love get him. I think he has a good relationship with YA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 One thing to consider, and I don't generally like making personnel decisions as a result of what others are doing, but there is a world where we are surrounded by: Painter at PU Billy Donovan at UL Chris Beard at UM Nate Oates at OSU Brad Underwood at UI Calipari at UK Izzo at MSU That would be a tough situation to walk into for a guy like Dusty May in March/April 2025. Again, not saying we need to be reactive to other openings and who they may hire, but I don't think it should be ignored. As someone wisely pointed out when we hired Woody, he is our version of Juwan Howard and Thad Matta was his Martelli. Let's not follow the folly of Michigan and wait to long to act. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 8 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I saw Gunn plenty of times in high school and he was a really good shooter. Was like a 35% 3pt shooter in HS--- and that's on 19ft 9in line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 I wonder if Coach Woodson has over emphasized to players the implications of missing a 3 pt. shot as opposed to the two. I know he has said, if you're gonna shoot 'em, you gotta make 'em. Sometimes I feel they are overthinking and not comfortable shooting a 3 in fear of Coach Woodson. JMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 22 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Cupps Newton MM Reneau McNeeley Sparks 6 to 7 transfers Dang Galloway out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUJoe Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 (edited) 6 minutes ago, IU Scott said: So is dong the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, the definition not insanity That definition only applies when you have evidence that the input you want to change has a connection to the result you want to change. Edited February 21 by IUJoe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 4 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: One thing to consider, and I don't generally like making personnel decisions as a result of what others are doing, but there is a world where we are surrounded by: Painter at PU Billy Donovan at UL Chris Beard at UM Nate Oates at OSU Brad Underwood at UI Calipari at UK Izzo at MSU That would be a tough situation to walk into for a guy like Dusty May in March/April 2025. Again, not saying we need to be reactive to other openings and who they may hire, but I don't think it should be ignored. As someone wisely pointed out when we hired Woody, he is our version of Juwan Howard and Thad Matta was his Martelli. Let's not follow the folly of Michigan and wait to long to act. The parlay odds on that would be like 1 in 2 trillion chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 11 minutes ago, Coach Robby said: DC any pre-portal rumblings? 6-7 is quite a few spots to fill... Names that I’ve heard mentioned as guys IU could or will pursue if they enter the portal include Thornton, Pope from Oregon State, and Blackmon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 16 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: One thing to consider, and I don't generally like making personnel decisions as a result of what others are doing, but there is a world where we are surrounded by: Painter at PU Billy Donovan at UL Chris Beard at UM Nate Oates at OSU Brad Underwood at UI Calipari at UK Izzo at MSU That would be a tough situation to walk into for a guy like Dusty May in March/April 2025. Again, not saying we need to be reactive to other openings and who they may hire, but I don't think it should be ignored. As someone wisely pointed out when we hired Woody, he is our version of Juwan Howard and Thad Matta was his Martelli. Let's not follow the folly of Michigan and wait to long to act. Donovan isn’t coming back to college Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 (edited) 29 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: Dang Galloway out I just forgot about him Edited February 21 by DC2345 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 53 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Cupps Newton Galloway MM Reneau McNeeley Sparks 5 to 6 transfers Newton is a big X factor... Watched a few of his high school games, and the kid has a monster motor... Not a really good shooter from what I saw, but he'll attack the basket and defend as well as anyone we have now... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: Newton is a big X factor... Watched a few of his high school games, and the kid has a monster motor... Not a really good shooter from what I saw, but he'll attack the basket and defend as well as anyone we have now... I agree. That said IU needs to plan on him being a non contributor. Then if he does that’s a bonus. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 There is a possibility that Reneau decides to leave if he gets a MASSIVE NIL offer from somewhere else. I don’t believe that will happen but you never know. If that happens then missing on Queen will become a massive issue. I’d put this at a 15-20% chance at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 3 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Newton is a big X factor... Watched a few of his high school games, and the kid has a monster motor... Not a really good shooter from what I saw, but he'll attack the basket and defend as well as anyone we have now... Man I really hope so. The odds are tremendously stacked against him. I can't remember if it was posted here but i read an article about that injury. Evidently you have to push through severe pain in rehab for iirc over a year up to 2 years. And most guys can't. I think with more and more research and techniques of mind and body training, things such as daily ice baths, this meditation stuff, pain management, I do have hope. Now to expect him to contribute next year, even if all that has fallen into place. No. He's like the 13th scholarship of expectations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 11 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I just forgot about him Did I miss Leal? I mean who wouldn't use a scholarship on that guy? Unless he's launching his real estate empire in and around Indy and he's going to freaking Butler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, NotIThatLives said: Man I really hope so. The odds are tremendously stacked against him. I can't remember if it was posted here but i read an article about that injury. Evidently you have to push through severe pain in rehab for iirc over a year up to 2 years. And most guys can't. I think with more and more research and techniques of mind and body training, things such as daily ice baths, this meditation stuff, pain management, I do have hope. Now to expect him to contribute next year, even if all that has fallen into place. No. He's like the 13th scholarship of expectations. I was looking for that article a few weeks ago. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Newton ever wearing an IU uniform. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 49 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: One thing to consider, and I don't generally like making personnel decisions as a result of what others are doing, but there is a world where we are surrounded by: Painter at PU Billy Donovan at UL Chris Beard at UM Nate Oates at OSU Brad Underwood at UI Calipari at UK Izzo at MSU That would be a tough situation to walk into for a guy like Dusty May in March/April 2025. Again, not saying we need to be reactive to other openings and who they may hire, but I don't think it should be ignored. As someone wisely pointed out when we hired Woody, he is our version of Juwan Howard and Thad Matta was his Martelli. Let's not follow the folly of Michigan and wait to long to act. I'd probably just throw in the towel on IU basketball if all of these happened and we kept Woodson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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