HoosierDom Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/9/2023 at 1:37 PM, DC2345 said: He would be able to play alongside Ware easier than he could Reese at Maryland so I highly doubt that is part of the thought process. You don't think existing players and available playing time are part of the though process? Seems like you have identified a great reason why he hasn't already signed with MD. Would stand to reason then that he would be looking for a better fit. We may or may not be that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierFaithful Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Ware and MM already stated they are here for just one year really? can you link? I missed this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDom Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BGleas said: This makes sense to me in terms of Queen evaluating Indiana. Not sure on the other schools. But if I'm Queen and I'm considering IU, I want to know who out of Ware, Reneau and Sparks is leaving or coming back next year. Really that's just saying Ware. I can't imagine Reneau or Sparks going pro. Seems like Queen would play well beside Reneau and I would assume Queen thinks he can beat Sparks for minutes (and he's probably right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, HoosierDom said: Really that's just saying Ware. I can't imagine Reneau or Sparks going pro. Seems like Queen would play well beside Reneau and I would assume Queen thinks he can beat Sparks for minutes (and he's probably right). Not really. If Reneau averages double figures this year and close to 7 pr 8 boards (yes, I know he only had 1 on Sunday) he could absolutely go pro. Pro doesn't just mean the NBA. He may want to get started on his career. Make 6 figures in Europe or begin getting serious NBA evaluation in the G League. I don't know what his goals are, but less talented players have turned pro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDom Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, BGleas said: Not really. If Reneau averages double figures this year and close to 7 pr 8 boards (yes, I know he only had 1 on Sunday) he could absolutely go pro. Pro doesn't just mean the NBA. He may want to get started on his career. Make 6 figures in Europe or begin getting serious NBA evaluation in the G League. I don't know what his goals are, but less talented players have turned pro. Seems like that would be him taking a pay cut. Especially if he averages 12 and 8, seems like he would get a raise if he stays. Regardless, if I'm Queen, I don't think I care one way lor the other what Reneau does. I do care what Ware does. In theory, Sparks could impact things, but the little bit we've seen thus far doesn't suggest he is going to beat out a 5 star for minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted November 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, HoosierFaithful said: really? can you link? I missed this https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090255-2024-nba-mock-draft-top-60-prospect-projections MM 14, Ware 20. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10095458-2024-nba-mock-draft-full-predictions-as-college-basketball-tips-off Another one with Ware 22, MM 28. Most mocks have both in the first round. https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2024-nba-mock-draft/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090255-2024-nba-mock-draft-top-60-prospect-projections MM 14, Ware 20. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10095458-2024-nba-mock-draft-full-predictions-as-college-basketball-tips-off Another one with Ware 22, MM 28. Most mocks have both in the first round. https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2024-nba-mock-draft/ These are not opening for me, but articles saying they are highly rated is different than the players coming out and actually saying they're 1-and-dones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94hoosier Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, BGleas said: Not really. If Reneau averages double figures this year and close to 7 pr 8 boards (yes, I know he only had 1 on Sunday) he could absolutely go pro. Pro doesn't just mean the NBA. He may want to get started on his career. Make 6 figures in Europe or begin getting serious NBA evaluation in the G League. I don't know what his goals are, but less talented players have turned pro. This is spot on. Reneau has a soft touch. if he continues to develop the 3pt shot he definitely become a prospect. Probably not a first round but a second round. He fits the modern NBA game. Needs to continue to work on exploding of the floor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, 94hoosier said: Needs to continue to work on exploding of the floor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierDom Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, 94hoosier said: This is spot on. Reneau has a soft touch. if he continues to develop the 3pt shot he definitely become a prospect. Probably not a first round but a second round. He fits the modern NBA game. Needs to continue to work on exploding of the floor I don't know. He isn't tall enough to play a stretch 4. He isn't athletic enough to be a 3. If he's going to make the NBA, he needs to be really good at basketball on both ends of the floor. I actually thought his on ball defense was good that first game, so maybe he will be really good, but he has a long way to go. He doesn't have the high ceiling that will get him drafted if he's only pretty good at basketball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, HoosierDom said: Seems like that would be him taking a pay cut. Especially if he averages 12 and 8, seems like he would get a raise if he stays. Regardless, if I'm Queen, I don't think I care one way lor the other what Reneau does. I do care what Ware does. In theory, Sparks could impact things, but the little bit we've seen thus far doesn't suggest he is going to beat out a 5 star for minutes. How would you know? We don't know what he makes and guys in Europe can make mid six figures, plus you don't have to go to class. Again, if he averaged something like 14 and 7 and shot 30ish% from 3, he'd absolutely be a pro prospect. Maybe not a first rounder, but we don't know what his goals are and way worse talent than that has turned pro. It's not something that would be off the table. It's smart of Queen to monitor the bigs situation at IU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, HoosierFaithful said: really? can you link? I missed this I heard them say that at media day in Bloomington 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierFaithful Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090255-2024-nba-mock-draft-top-60-prospect-projections MM 14, Ware 20. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10095458-2024-nba-mock-draft-full-predictions-as-college-basketball-tips-off Another one with Ware 22, MM 28. Most mocks have both in the first round. https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2024-nba-mock-draft/ Wasn't doubting the mocks, just the fact that both had verbally said it (apparently at media day?) which is fundamentally different IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted November 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, HoosierFaithful said: Wasn't doubting the mocks, just the fact that both had verbally said it (apparently at media day?) which is fundamentally different IMO Gotcha. Whether they said it or not, probably did, if they are projected first round picks, they will leave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said: Gotcha. Whether they said it or not, probably did, if they are projected first round picks, they will leave. Seems odd that two players would say, "I'm outta here after the season" at media day? Maybe Scott read reports that both want to leave for the NBA after this season, would just be surprised if they both outright said it as a fact/certainty. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 hours ago, BGleas said: Huh? Ware is widely projected as a lottery pick. I don't think Reneau is NBA ready, but worse players have tested the waters and ultimately declared. I dont think Sparks is going anywhere, but if all three do end up coming back, then I doubt Queen comes here. I doubt Sparks returning scares off a 5* recruit. Especially one who hasn't eliminated Kansas despite them having Bazinga in coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted November 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: I doubt Sparks returning scares off a 5* recruit. Especially one who hasn't eliminated Kansas despite them having Bazinga in coming. That Bazinga is tough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: I doubt Sparks returning scares off a 5* recruit. Especially one who hasn't eliminated Kansas despite them having Bazinga in coming. Sparks wasn't really my point. The point is that if all three come back then I doubt he comes here. Even if two of them come back he may not want to come. We don't know what Queen values, but looking at this from his perspective, not the perspective of an IU fan, it makes sense to wait until Spring and see how the frontcourt picture shakes out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 Just now, BGleas said: Sparks wasn't really my point. The point is that if all three come back then I doubt he comes here. Even if two of them come back he may not want to come. We don't know what Queen values, but looking at this from his perspective, not the perspective of an IU fan, it makes sense to wait until Spring and see how the frontcourt picture shakes out. I'm pretty sure Ware is gone regardless. Woodson was able to play TJD and Thompson together so no reason Reneau and Queen couldn't play together. So only Sparks would be the direct competition for Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: I'm pretty sure Ware is gone regardless. Woodson was able to play TJD and Thompson together so no reason Reneau and Queen couldn't play together. So only Sparks would be the direct competition for Queen. We don't know any of that though. Ware looked good at the start of last season for Oregon too and then it all went south. There aren't guarantees. People thought TJD wanted to be one and done and then two and done and all of the sudden he was here 4 years. You also have Julian Reece who is a junior Maryland. Maybe he stays or goes? We don't know and it makes sense for Queen to wait given who he's down too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 hours ago, HoosierFaithful said: really? can you link? I missed this Not sure about MgBako, but here's Ware RKWareNBAintentionse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Not sure about MgBako, but here's Ware RKWareNBAintentionse Rick Ashley? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 3 hours ago, IU Scott said: I heard them say that at media day in Bloomington I'm with Scott on this one. Can't remember which one but one of them was asked about the NBA and I feel like one of them mentioned in my one year here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: I'm with Scott on this one. Can't remember which one but one of them was asked about the NBA and I feel like one of them mentioned in my one year here. MM said it during media day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victobmyboy Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Parakeet Jones said: MM said it during media day. Yep. Both are expected to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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