BGleas Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Yeah, this kind of thing can absolutely happen. I am honestly rooting for this to be what happened. But at the same time, it really feels like Bama athletics, police, etc. just heard the first thing Miller and his lawyer could come up with and said, "yup, our star player is innocent". Agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FKIM01 Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 hours ago, BGleas said: Miller's lawyers and the university are now saying Miles left the gun in Miller's car without Miller's knowledge, that Miller was already on his way to pick Miles up and never saw the text asking for the gun, and arrived and Miles got the gun without Miller ever touching it or knowing anything about anything. Well...that's a convenient narrative. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 Antoine Davis is only 113 points away from Pete Maravich's all time scoring record. But he only has one more regular season game, and the conference tourney to do it in... Detroit Mercy won't be going to any post season tourney unless they win that 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 11 hours ago, KoB2011 said: I believe the text messages where the gun was requested by Miles also mentioned the argument. Wouldn't saying, "hey I'm in an argument, bring me my loaded gun" generally put the person bringing the gun into a position of knowledge about what might happen? I had not seen that. You are definitely correct If I was prosecuting the case that would be a central component to determining if he should be charged. Any other information that comes to light that suggests prior knowledge increased the likelihood he may face some criminal liability. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 11 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Yeah I understand that, but we have text messages saying otherwise, right? Doesn't the fact that we have conflicting information show a full investigation needs to happen, and potentially a jury trial to determine the truth? 11 hours ago, BGleas said: Was just sharing the info, not saying I'm buying it. I don’t know if there is conflicting info or not. It would depend on if/how Miller replied to Miles' text messages. His lawyer is making it sound like Miller didn't reply or even see the message Miles sent asking for the gun. Again, not saying I buy it, just sharing what the lawyer is selling. 11 hours ago, KoB2011 said: That's fair, and I honestly hope that what the attorney is saying is the truth. The fact that Bama and the DA decided to it didn't even require an investigation is pretty telling, IMO. Speculation here …every case is SUPPOSED to be handled the same regardless of who the victim is and regardless of who the alleged offender is…. that being said, it doesn’t always shake out that way. I’ve done no research into the prosecutors current election cycle , prosecutorial history, or political affiliation but just evaluating generally my guess is he or she is going to be slow to file any formal charge against miller even if initial information supports it. The following are substantial factors 1. It’s going to be a high profile case so you either show off for the cameras or you’re careful not to make a mistake to look stupid when the magnifying glass is on you 2. It’s unfortunate that our current climate is what it is but millers race has to factor into the timing decision because you don’t want the aclu or Ben crump ripping you for filing a formal charge without sufficient position to do so. Well founded filings are scrutinized …Reactionary filings are crucified so if you decide to charge him make sure you’re right first 3. A slight delay could let miller finish his season so even if you choose to charge him you haven’t alienated a fan base that may make up a large portion or your electorate and you also may win favor with the university which could carry political influence 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier4Life53 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 The media (even ESPN) is calling for Miller to be suspended, and the program to be shut down for the remainder of season just like New Mexico State. I’m sure Alabama is going to try to ride this out until the coverage dies down, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen anytime soon. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out, and if he makes it through the end of season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Hoosier4Life53 said: The media (even ESPN) is calling for Miller to be suspended, and the program to be shut down for the remainder of season just like New Mexico State. I’m sure Alabama is going to try to ride this out until the coverage dies down, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen anytime soon. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out, and if he makes it through the end of season. Interesting for sure but with where they sit I think there is too much on the line for them to shut it down ….I think they would have to become aware of additional circumstances/evidence that is likely to clearly implicate miller. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 11 hours ago, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: Interesting for sure but with where they sit I think there is too much on the line for them to shut it down ….I think they would have to become aware of additional circumstances/evidence that is likely to clearly implicate miller. I mean shouldn't the NCAA step in at this point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, ledies22 said: I mean shouldn't the NCAA step in at this point? They may give it a look after taking care of a couple of rogue bumper sticker and charity calendar situations that are going on at the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 Ole Miss fires Kermit Davis. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35726097/ole-miss-fires-men-basketball-coach-kermit-davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drroogh Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, rico said: Ole Miss fires Kermit Davis. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35726097/ole-miss-fires-men-basketball-coach-kermit-davis Chris Beard to the SEC, that actually makes sense! Just look at Alabama! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Drroogh said: Chris Beard to the SEC, that actually makes sense! Just look at Alabama! Ole Miss basketball history is just a tick above Northwestern's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, rico said: Ole Miss basketball history is just a tick above Northwestern's. Except rhe Wildcats have never had a Johnny Neumann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU/Butler/Notre Dame Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, ledies22 said: I mean shouldn't the NCAA step in at this point? Morally ? Probably ….optically ? Probably ….I think the problem is the prevailing fear that if you take an administrative action and NOTHING ever comes to light that would implicate miller criminally or, worse , if something clearly exculpatory is brought into the public domain now you’re going to deal with not only the wrath of the school and fanbase but also the direct brunt of our fair weather/ bandwagon media who will jump on whatever the trend du jour is. headline: NCAA unfairly ruins alabamas best historical season and drastically damages top prospects draft status ( probably written more dramatically ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 hours ago, ledies22 said: I mean shouldn't the NCAA step in at this point? 3 hours ago, 5fouls said: They may give it a look after taking care of a couple of rogue bumper sticker and charity calendar situations that are going on at the moment. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, IU/Butler/Notre Dame said: Morally ? Probably ….optically ? Probably ….I think the problem is the prevailing fear that if you take an administrative action and NOTHING ever comes to light that would implicate miller criminally or, worse , if something clearly exculpatory is brought into the public domain now you’re going to deal with not only the wrath of the school and fanbase but also the direct brunt of our fair weather/ bandwagon media who will jump on whatever the trend du jour is. headline: NCAA unfairly ruins alabamas best historical season and drastically damages top prospects draft status ( probably written more dramatically ) Yeah, the NCAA risks getting sued if nothing comes to light that criminally implicates Miller, but unfortunately, I bet they are even more concerned about other claims that would be made if they took action…. in other words implications that they are only taking action bc he is…. The world we live in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Yeah, the NCAA risks getting sued if nothing comes to light that criminally implicates Miller, but unfortunately, I bet they are even more concerned about other claims that would be made if they took action…. in other words implications that they are only taking action bc he is…. The world we live in. albeit it is/would be different, but doesnt the NCAA have an obligation for this just like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. X player is suspended pending investigations. In most circumstances the university can and do implicate their own penalties, but in this circumstance where the university decides to sweep it under the rug, the NCAA should have the ability to step in and say you, Alabama, are incompetent, and your university is out of control. Side question, maybe dumb, just thinking, but wouldnt Saban and the football program want this put to bed ASAP before the NCAA does come and investigate? i know two different sports, but things could be unearthed when/if NCAA comes knocking on the doors in Tuscaloosa. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 End of X & Hall was interesting where were those refs against Iowa ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/brandon-millers-lack-of-punishment-by-alabama-coach-nate-oats-blasted-by-parents-of-fatal-shooting-victim/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 20 hours ago, ledies22 said: Side question, maybe dumb, just thinking, but wouldnt Saban and the football program want this put to bed ASAP before the NCAA does come and investigate? i know two different sports, but things could be unearthed when/if NCAA comes knocking on the doors in Tuscaloosa. I know this. If I was the control freak that I think Saban is who has spent years of building this empire. I'm not going to be sitting around doing nothing because the casual fan is saying this. Geez if they let that go on at the hoops program no doubt they let a ton of stuff go on in football program. He knows that too. Now the Oats approach worked for Bobby Bowden for years. Kid messes up you put your arm around him gosh golly darn he made a mistake but he's a really good kid,etc....just depends on what side of the media you reside. Bowden was loved so they overlooked it. Seems like Oats is 50/50 right now. Bilas coming out last night and saying his stuff can be absolutely right. Or it can be spun that he's walking the company line because ESPN has SEC interests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 Sounds like the dumbest thing Miller did is being a dumba$$ and having a dumba$$ for a friend. If a guy asks you to hold on to his firearm you say take care of your own stuff buddy. If the same thing happened to any of us we would be able to go about our business until an investigation brought a formal charge and arrested. The kid hasn't even been charged with anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Sounds like the dumbest thing Miller did is being a dumba$$ and having a dumba$$ for a friend. If a guy asks you to hold on to his firearm you say take care of your own stuff buddy. If the same thing happened to any of us we would be able to go about our business until an investigation brought a formal charge and arrested. The kid hasn't even been charged with anything. You’re right to an extent, but pretty naive to think he had no idea what was going on or that he shouldn’t have known better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: You’re right to an extent, but pretty naive to think he had no idea what was going on or that he shouldn’t have known better. Maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell what he thought but I can tell you from experience things can go from normal to shtf in less than 2-3 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 3 hours ago, kyhoosier29 said: You’re right to an extent, but pretty naive to think he had no idea what was going on or that he shouldn’t have known better. And I think a big part of the issue is most of us would have been charged. He’s the best player on a national title contender, at a school with a history of looking the other way to shady dealings including possible murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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