rico Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 I think we should temper everything until we see what the NCAA is going to do. Specifically, how fast they move on this. Kansas moved quickly, that tells me something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 “Attorneys for Code, Dawkins and Gatto admitted during opening arguments and throughout the trial that their clients broke several NCAA rules and indeed arranged for payments to be made to the families of high-profile recruits. But the attorneys also argued that while the defendants knowingly broke NCAA rules, they never believed they were breaking federal laws. The attorneys told the jury that their clients were only trying to help the schools by assisting them in signing talented basketball players and never intended to defraud them, as federal prosecutors alleged. In fact, their attorneys argued that the payments were often made at the request of the university's coaches.” Copied from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Inequality said: “Attorneys for Code, Dawkins and Gatto admitted during opening arguments and throughout the trial that their clients broke several NCAA rules and indeed arranged for payments to be made to the families of high-profile recruits. But the attorneys also argued that while the defendants knowingly broke NCAA rules, they never believed they were breaking federal laws. The attorneys told the jury that their clients were only trying to help the schools by assisting them in signing talented basketball players and never intended to defraud them, as federal prosecutors alleged. In fact, their attorneys argued that the payments were often made at the request of the university's coaches.” Copied from here And this is where the rubber meets the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said: The wire fraud and wire fraud conspiracy convictions carry potential sentences of 20 years. The judge has discretion and the legal pundits out there think they'll get a few years. Since it's federal it's based mostly on guidelines determined on the amount of fraud. I've known guys who have stolen $500k get 24 months in a minimum security camp. These guys aren't getting anywhere remotely close to years. Months would be best guess....if not probation/supervised release. The key in sentencing is how many victims, amount of fraud, and past criminal history. If they had a clean record before this...I could see maybe a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Should have seen this coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Should have seen this coming. Called it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said: I don't know -- but my thinking, from a lawsuit/prosecution strategy standpoint, is this prosecution had its own objectives, and they do not coincide with the prosecution of coaching staff personnel. What was said, the evidence, etc., in this prosecution is not only irrelevant from a legal standpoint to the subesquent prosecutions, it's all inadmissible. I see no reason to think they will employ an identical theory. The prosecutions are different. We're talking school staff alleged to be directly involved in illegal behavior. There's just no reason to think the prosecution would go out of its way to paint the schools as the victims of their own agents' actions. Yeah, I understand it’s a different set of facts, which will obviously lead to a somewhat different strategy. I guess what I’m getting at is, as I understand the charges, if the universities are not the victims, then there is no crime. Under the federal wire fraud statute, there has to be a target of the “scheme or artifice to defraud.” If that’s not the universities themselves, who else would it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Should have seen this coming. I don't know how that sanctimonious fleabag looks himself in the mirror each day. You can insert Pitino, Calipari, Self, Roy Williams or Krzyzewski in for "sanctimonious fleabag". They all fit at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Should have seen this coming. As an explanation for why he was so oblivious, Pitino stated... "I thought all discretionary funds were allotted to the strippers we had on retainer'." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Pitino has never cheated at anything in his life. In his mind. Rick Pitino told Louisville police sex with Karen Sypher was consensual not rape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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5fouls Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 54 minutes ago, Tiz10 said: Rick Stansbury was head coach of Mississippi State at the time. Rick Stansbury is now head coach of Western Kentucky. Western Kentucky has landed a 5* recruit each of the last two years. There are some dots that can be connected here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 I'm thinking this mess is so widespread that the NCAA will do the lazy and gutless thing here... ...just about nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUB74 Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: I'm thinking this mess is so widespread that the NCAA will do the lazy and gutless thing here... ...just about nothing. I am concerned for Cleveland State, they may really get hammered this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inequality Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Wiretap audio files https://es.pn/2OQnNVh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, FKIM01 said: I'm thinking this mess is so widespread that the NCAA will do the lazy and gutless thing here... ...just about nothing. My guess is......they change some rules!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier10 Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 19 hours ago, IU Scott said: I guess I am just different than most on here because I would rather never win another championship if it meant we had to cheat to win So would rather not break these arbitrary rarely enforced NCAA rules than win a championship....yea I don’t believe that one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, hoosier10 said: So would rather not break these arbitrary rarely enforced NCAA rules than win a championship....yea I don’t believe that one bit. Believe whatever you want but it is the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 16 hours ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Should have seen this coming. Pathological liar. He probably ordered his assistant, "Bring me this and that kids. That's your job. But don't tell me how you're going to do it. I don't wanna know." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 The NCAA doesn’t care about the rules. So is that really cheating? At this point the rules of amateurism are really just marketing for the people that enjoy college basketball for the purity of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said: The NCAA doesn’t care about the rules. So is that really cheating? At this point the rules of amateurism are really just marketing for the people that enjoy college basketball for the purity of it One has to ask......Has CBB ever been pure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, rico said: One has to ask......Has CBB ever been pure? In 1938 maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: In 1938 maybe? Maybe????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonialcrester Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 6 hours ago, rico said: Maybe????????? I heard that the Georgia Peach basket association was major player in getting certain players to play for that cheater Naismith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Talk about the first BB cheater, Naismith who was a Canadian, and enrolled at the University of Colorado..... first played NINE men on his team. LOL 5 minutes ago, Colonialcrester said: I heard that the Georgia Peach basket association was major player in getting certain players to play for that cheater Naismith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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