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Sure seems like we trust teachers to play armed guard but we don’t trust them to do much else. 

16 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Uh... @NotIThatLives saw it, and lived it... I think that's about as "real" as it gets...

I'm sure in many inner city schools cops or SROs ARE hated... People who're involved in wrongdoing don't want anyone that's going to call them on it around...

God forbid a kid bringing weapons or drugs to school have to experience the consequences of their actions

 

I mean, if we are substituting qualitative anecdotes for quantitative data and calling them the same thing, we aren’t having a real conversation. I’m glad that was his experience. It’s useful. It’s still an anecdote against empirical, peer reviewed data. 

That's a great anecdote, and I'm happy for that experience for them, but it unfortunately just isn't reality.

The research is pretty clear that more cops in schools don’t really make them safer in any meaningful way and they also increase the school to prison pipeline. 
 

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1163923.pdf

Despite these significant shortcomings, I am not sure I have a better solution. If this is the solution implemented, folks need to give serious consideration to the side effects. Notably - these SRO’s should not be handling disciplinary issues. 

There are SERIOUS negative effects on students having even a few cops in a school, much less a fully armed presence. But… is anything else going to work that is actually achievable? I am losing hope and am beginning to think not.  

We are self moderating well and I appreciate that, and this is not in reaction to any recent posts, but if you think you’re gonna say something stupid: delete the post, go tell your dog instead, and enjoy some sunshine. 

31 minutes ago, Parakeet Jones said:

Thanks. I tried. I guess. I should have been more specific in my original post. 

Sorry didn’t see it, apologies if you had done the same 

Edit: oh you mean on this thread. Hell brother, we all tried. These middle aged male inbreds don’t follow any rules. 

1 minute ago, Seeking6 said:

Man I just typed out a response. I had to delete. Here's what I know. Every possible plan over the past 25 years isn't working. From ease of buying guns to mental health issues to red flags and so on. 

If the highest probability of success is to secure our schools and give them safety....why not use every available resource we have to do that? 

Don't want our schools to look prisons? Screw that. Better that vs a morgue and crime scene.

If this is the best we can do so kids don’t die, so be it. Make them like military bases. There are a lot of problems with that, and I am floored that we as a country can’t find a better solution, but you’re right: everything is better than dead. 

Good thought.  Here we go:

Okay, this is now the second attempt at this.

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54 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

@bluegrassIU

@HoosierFaithful

@BGleas

@Inequality

And any other mods I missed.

Anyway to create a function, I don’t know, a bell, an emoji of some sorts, so that when a player commits it acts as an alarm or notification that actual news is being posted v the banter that one must wade through? For those who want real information, it would be a great service 

Sadly no.  I think there is some utility to this thread vis a vis the other, broader thread - we wanted this thread to be only updates, but alas.

If someone wants to make a new thread that is, I swear to Baby Jesus, only twitter / news updates of portal information and absolutely nothing else, post it, tag me, and I will post immediately after and clean up any superfluous posts and that break the rules. 

Hey man I think everything is on the table.  I’m not kidding. 

I gotta go to work but if we love our children as much as we say we do, we all need to have as few red lines as possible (while still understanding that people’s strongly held beliefs are valid) in addressing this issue that we, as the most powerful country in the history of the world, uniquely cannot seem to figure out. 
 

not trying to make this political. Trying to make my statements broadly agreeable and middle of the road.  This entire issue just vexes me. 

I don't know, man, but I think folks setting aside their deeply entrenched beliefs (me included) has to be a part of the solution because we're the only country where this happens and, guess what:

Did you know the leading cause of death in children? It's guns.  We're the only place where that's so striking.

18 minutes ago, rico said:

I got an open mind as long as it doesn't involve changing the Constitution.

then you're part of the solution  

2 hours ago, rico said:

If "all of the above" is taking any and all guns away then I got a problem with that.

I don’t have the answers but I think it means liberal folks and conservative folks keeping an open mind on things they usually disagree with to.. you know.. save children from being murdered.  
 

it's a heated issue, and my views aren't everyone else's, but we need to try and "all of the above" strategy IMO, even things I don't agree with

These children are not growing up how we grew up and there isn't anything they can do to change it.  We collectively need to find a way to change it.  It's on us.

We can't and shouldn't turn this into a political thread, but can we all please find the humanity in ourselves on this issue, if on no other issue, to try something to stop this.

I mean, in a vacuum, I'm happy for her - if the options are "no IU women in top 5" or "attractive and still really good IU woman in top 5" I want them to get the bag, it just feels slimy.

It's unfortunate but not unexpected on the women's side. 

Alright, we love you, but this is the final warning for only pure updates and perhaps immediately clarifying questions / things related to that particular update, but we want to keep this thread easy to read.  

26 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said:

Silver lining? I think all these complaining, fun sucking fans don’t realize just how important of a recruiting advocate TJD has been and still will be for IU! TJD improved dramatically in one extra year under Coach Woodson. 

His improvement as a ball handler this year was stunning 

Crowd update: pathetic.