HoosierFaithful

Made the mistake of coming in here while hungry.

holy hell, good for you!

I never sold! 311 shares at $16, thinking about putting a stop limit at $18 or so to make sure if it all falls out I can get out but we'll see.

I see your point, and you are a logical and fair poster, I just don't agree with you. I fall much more in line with 5fouls' thinking.

right - nobody is forcing anything, but admittance to IU is not a god given right.

Also, the variants aren't "alleged" - we've already seen lots of them! We just haven't hit one that is vaccine resistant yet. This is the same reason that when you get strep throat, the doctors stress to take all of the penicillin. If you don't, you run the risk of developing a strain of strep that is resistant to penicillin, which is by far our most effective medical response. This isn't a new concept. This is widely accepted.

Many people agree with you here - including me. Say what you will about our response to COVID, but our vaccine development (credit Trump) and vaccine rollout (credit largely Biden) have been strong. I'm not sure on the number to stop variants - I'm not well educated enough to say. I do know that scientists increasingly think herd immunity is a pipe dream. I listened to a rather depressing NYT podcast the other day on it.

I'm not sure those countries aren't worried? That feels like you imparting your own feelings unto them. The leaders of those countries are trying really hard to get more vaccines and to get their populations to take them.

and again, it matters if people don't get vaccinated because we are in an existential race against time for a variant that is vaccine-resistant.

That's fine, and you're entitled to feel that way, but many others don't agree and institutions like IU don't seem to either.

because this is a collective action problem, and your actions can impact others. I know for some that doesn't matter, and that's their viewpoint to hold, but it's not a viewpoint that many others share and it's not one IU seems to share either. It isn't a terribly complex fact that COVID is spread from human to human. And despite the fact that young people are at a lower risk to die or have serious complications from COVID, they're just at risk (if not even more at risk!) to spread it. The r-naught doesn't give a crap how old you are.

That's just simply not true. If you want to believe that, it's up to you, but everyone in here (me included) has their mindset entirely baked in on this matter, so I'm not sure why we keep trying to argue with one another. I just try to post information, but if people don't agree with me, I understand entirely why. Somehow along the way, we seemed to lose our faith in scientists, which makes me really sad. The scientific community is speaking with one overwhelming voice and it isn't saying anything remotely aligned with what people are posting here. This is a vaccine that has existed, more or less, for 30 years. We developed it "uber quickly" because 1) we already had it made pretty much and 2) instead of working on production and other time-intensive processes sequentially (e.g. one after another), we worked on them in a parallel timeline. It was massively costly, which is why we normally don't do so, but in this instance, it was a no brainer. IU is gonna do what they are gonna do. If you're upset, email a Trustee. But to throw out a pure hypothetical such as "what if it stops a woman from getting pregnant later!" is just a giant strawman, IMO.

Emphasis mine - the COVID r-naught was for most of the pandemic was above 1. If it was below 1, the cases wouldn't be spreading at all, the cases would have been decreasing. We obviously know that wasn't the case. You can view historical COVID r-naught values here: https://rt.live/. I did some quick math and the r-naught was above 1 in 40% of the days tracked here. And, remember folks - exponential growth is a MFer!! Read here: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/exponential-growth-what-it-is-why-it-matters-and-how-to-spot-it/ Additionally, measles is more commonly accepted to have a range of 12-18 for the r-naught (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28757186/). Any r-naught above 1 is dangerous. Like, seriously, we all saw what a r-naught that averaged between 1.1 - 1.4 (when it was spreading, that is) could cause. Just because measles was worse doesn't mean COVID isn't dangerous.

Big soccer fan - watch more of it than any other sport. Marshall really took the game to us. They were the better side for the majority of the game. It's hard to follow at times because, despite the fact that these guys are all way better than me, this game doesn't closely resemble soccer at the highest levels. College soccer isn't where uber-talented 18-20 year olds go. They're going pro, domestically or internationally. Marshall seemed to imitate what a lot of other pro clubs around the world are doing - press on defense really high and with intensity. Professional teams have the skill to break that down. IU, it seemed, didn't really. If you wanted to, you could conceivably say Marshall beat us not with skill but with physicality and conditioning. Onto the next.

This feels like when I get that first absolutely massive recruit when I’m playing as the IU coach on NCAA football. When my program takes a leap from good to great.

Shoot me a PM with what you want.

Different strokes, different folks. Interesting to hear other POV's. Thanks for the discussion.

To say it's fear mongering that vaccination rates are declining and that may present a future concern is a bit of gaslighting, IMO. You don't have to get a vaccine, that's your right, but this is a collective action - all of the people who decline a vaccine have an impact on my life, too, if we get a vaccine-resistant new variant of COVID, so I'm allowed to have an opinion just like they're allowed to decline to get it.

I'm not sure you're qualified to speak for the rest of the world, but since you're talking about Canada - here are a few articles about Trudeau and his stance on the vaccine (I searched "Trudeau vaccine" fwiw): https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/23/canada-covid-at-critical-levels-personal-contact-discouraged https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/get-your-shot-as-soon-as-it-s-your-turn-pm-seeks-to-dispel-vaccine-concerns-1.5413567

We're also trending downwards, we've seen a steep drop in daily vaccinations: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-trends Our 7 day rolling average is down 33% from 3 weeks ago. This is not inconsequential.

I don't think anyone is saying we aren't vaccinating quickly - I think we objectively are - but COVID variants don't care how quick we are and don't give participation trophies. I'm not a doctor, but my understanding is we're in a race against time for a variant that is different enough and/or resistant to the vaccine, which would start this whole process over again. So we need to go quicker. And if we can go quicker, we need to go even quicker than that. We're having conversations about vaccine hesitancy because it's a very real concern and there have been numerous stories over the past weeks about vaccines going unused. That's notable, IMO.

https://twitter.com/B_Walsh2/status/1389702195927519236 IU is leaning into the new NIL rules, as they should.

Our GK is outstanding. 3 stops out of 4 in a PK shootout is really incredible.

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