HoosierFaithful

VBG, that was a good one Joe.

makes sense.  there's hard power and soft power - you outlined what soft power can do pretty well re: public pressure.  

6 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

When I interned at a prosecutor's office I was always taught that you never bring charges unless you believe you can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt even if you really think the accused is guilty.  From what I've seen I don't see how they could ever get a conviction. 

 

Don't lawyers have pretty strict ethical guidelines on stuff like this?  If they're found charging people flippantly to try and force deals, they risk some pretty serious punishments.

42 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I dont condone violence and these guys absolutely should be arrested, charges maybe be a little hefty, but Booker absolutely deserved his ass kicked. 

That's quite the contradictory statement, tbh.

Watch the language.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/how-does-a-grand-jury-work.html

On 7/6/2020 at 7:35 PM, HoosierJax said:

Smoked a pork butt yesterday...it took 9 hrs but i gotta say it was worth the wait!

I shouldn't have browsed this thread while hungry

Booker's attorney can request away, but both Booker and the attorney have 0% to do with any criminal charges.  The state (or federal) government will determine if charges are applicable.

If a crime was committed, in the eyes of the law, it doesn't really matter a ton what the provocation was.  Other lawyers can chime in, but I'm struggling to think of the words or phrases that would make what appeared in the video (if deemed a crime) permissible.

If there were actions that provoked, perhaps that's a different story, but still - the point pretty much holds true.  A crime is a crime.

2 hours ago, milehiiu said:

Wow.  Big news.  Congrats to you. For getting married.  That's great. No matter how long it takes, Jon.  Danged pandemic.   Stay safe.  You and your fiancee.  I wish you both health and happiness. 

Thanks Ken!  She's quite the fool.

lucky girl, though, it gives her time to come to her senses.

3 hours ago, milehiiu said:

Fact.  It has already impacted many. Lives lost. etc.

I'm supposed to be planning a wedding - obviously, that's on hold.

AZ posts a record daily death total, a 33% positivity rate (!!), and a 1.8% mortality rate

Smarter folks than I: I'm concerned, particularly in AZ, at the positive test rate.  It's at an astronomical 25%.  What does this purport to mean more broadly?  

13 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Arizona's raw numbers may not match those of Florida or Texas, but a large part of that is the overall population difference.  From my perspective, Arizona is in a ,much darker place right now than either of those other states.  I mean, Texas's number of cases per $1MM population still lags behind Indiana's and at no type in this process has Indiana been considered to be a hot spot.

 

Yes, AZ is very bad.  Like - worse off than Italy was, in all likelihood.  It is concerning.

22 minutes ago, Reacher said:

More TX news-

"leaders of several major hospitals in Houston this week urged the public to remain calm, suggesting that the extent of the outbreak has been overstated. 

At a virtual press conference on Thursday, the chief executives of Houston Methodist, Memorial Hermann Health System, St. Luke’s Health, and Texas Children’s hospitals stated that their hospitals are well-prepared to handle an even greater increase in patients than that which has emerged over the past few weeks. 

The number of hospitalizations are "being misinterpreted," said Houston Methodist CEO Marc Boom, "and, quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now."

"We do have the capacity to care for many more patients, and have lots of fluidity and ability to manage," Boom said.

He pointed out that his hospital one year ago was at 95% ICU capacity, similar to the numbers the hospital is seeing today. "It is completely normal for us to have ICU capacities that run in the 80s and 90s," he said. "That's how all hospitals operate." 

He noted that around 25% of ICU patients are COVID-19-positive. But the hospital "[has] many levers in our ability to adjust our ICU," he said, claiming that the hospital capacity regularly reported by the media is "base" capacity rather than surge capacity. 

Texas Children's Hospital CEO Mark Wallace added that his facility has "a lot of capacity."

"We have the ability to take care of all of the Houstonians that need a critical care environment, that need to be operated on, or acute care," Wallace said.

"There is not a scenario, in my opinion, where the demand for our beds ... would eclipse our capability," he continued. "I cannot imagine that. I just cannot."

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/texas-government-counting-every-covid-positive-hospital-case

 

Looks like the TX hospital CEO says the level of alarm is unwarranted. Let's all please calm down.

Great example of my earlier point - this is a pandemic, akin to a war, and no single person is the final arbiter of truth.  There is simply too much happening.  This guy might be right, the story I posted might be right, the truth might be somewhere in the middle.  When you have two sets of doctors disagreeing with one another, that doesn't mean one is lying - it means the right answers are hard to come by.  

When any of us try to pass off anything as an absolute fact, we're begging to look a fool.  This is a very fluid, very complex situation.

Watch this video around 4:20 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/07/02/texas-hospital-crowded-coronavirus-marquez-pkg-newday-vpx.cnn

To the point: AZ just activated crisis care standards.  I saw a TX doctor, live from the ER, explaining how he had 10 patients but only 3 beds.  That was one isolated doctor, but here is another example:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/05/texas-coronavirus-hospitals-houston-san-antonio-austin/

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As local officials express concerns that their hospitals could be overloaded with coronavirus patients, some are urging Gov. Greg Abbott to empower local governments to issue stay-at-home orders.

Hospitals are in a better spot than they were in March/April - that is to be sure.  We also know a whole lot more than we did on potential drugs/antivirals/etc than we did then.  The problem to me, though, is that if we keep having exponential growth (which we do in many places) we're in some deep, deep doo-doo.

AZ's positive test rate is a mind boggling 25%!!! That means we're drastically under-counting the actual cases.

It is very promising that deaths are down but in many states, including AZ, we are nearing critical levels of ICU capacity.  I imagine part of the reason deaths are down is that we did “flatten the curve” for some time and we used that to, at least minimally, expand our hospital capacity. 
 

If cases continue to explode, we will again run into the original hospital capacity problem. If we do (and I hope we don’t), deaths will follow. AZ just activated a “crisis of care” model - a literal mathematical formula to determine who gets scarce healthcare resources. Other states with big outbreaks are not far behind. 
 

This is a really big and really unknown disease. There is going to continue to be a lot of contradicting information, IMO. 

To circle back on the question of "do we have enough tests right now," the answer in AZ is pretty plainly "no."

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

I really didn't "take offense" at anything...

You said this in the "Racial Tensions" thread...

"1) don’t play cute. we’re not stupid. It’s pretty clear to all when you’re dressing up a point to push a political narrative (either “side” of the fence)."

Just pointing out that the non-mods aren't stupid either...

As a matter of fact, Mods should be held to an even higher standard. Posting something that can even be construed as a political narrative (and apparently I'm not the only one who took it as such) should be out of bounds...

Again, just my 2¢...

Sorry if folks took my post as political - I didn't think it was, and I thought it was in-line with other posts and generally the same as what we've been allowing, but I certainly don't want to appear to flout our own rules.

oh for the times in April when we were assured "very soon" we'd be able to run 5m tests/day...

isn't the problem there test capacity?  We're averaging around 400k tests/day, seems difficult to break into the 4-5m/day range.  

On 4/30/2020 at 10:27 AM, Reacher said:

Adding more fuel to the inflated death story-

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-funeral-directors-in-covid-19-epicenter-doubt-legitimacy-of-deaths/

 

Project Veritas is not a news organization.  They have "targeted" my employer in my professional work several times before and it's never been fair, honest, balanced, etc.  

Not saying what they are reporting is true or false - I haven't done enough research.  Just adding some first-world insight as to the organization in that link.

I love Chris Ballard an uncomfortable amount.  What a treat after the Grigson years.