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so much for this being like his 2nd home and always wanting to come here.

Hopefully he changes his mind again but this one stings.

5 hours ago, Stlboiler23 said:

I do wonder if his future is at QB or someplace else. Talented kid no doubt. 

Does he play other positions or thinking his skills is better used elsewhere on the field?

Any reason to believe schools are schools are recruiting him something other than qb?

PU probably offered when he was in elementary school

22 hours ago, MoyeCowbell said:

IU's social media team is doing a fantastic job.

I do have a small nitpick with their "committed" templates.

The area where they have the states, it's always the previous state on top with arrows pointing down to Indiana. Now, as we read, top to bottom, left to right, this makes sense...

BUT, I would like to see the state of INDIANA larger and the other states smaller and underneath pointing UP -- most of the time is make sense geographically, but also it can help subliminally with perception. Players are moving UP to come to IU. Who cares that they were at Tennessee or Alabama; they are at IU now, which is an UPGRADE.*

*It's all marketing anyways.

Ok, end of silly rant. Still great work.

probably could shoot iu dept the email

sptmarkt@indiana.edu (sports marketing email)

48 minutes ago, btownqb said:

 

Looks like we made a big time impression. 

which one committed?  The one in the helmet may be a bit short for the secondary

On 5/9/2022 at 1:30 PM, IUFLA said:

Payne was a good guy. If I remember right, he developed a relationship with a young girl who had cancer. It was a heartbreaking story, but at the same time showed what kind of man he was...RIP 

That was setup to repair his image after being accused of sexual assault.

2 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

My perception is a lot of basketball fans think things are travels/carries/palming when they aren't, There's obviously times those are missed, but I hear a lot of complaints about it when it isn't there, too. 

I'm sure that happens but not nearly as much as travels/carries/palming that goes uncalled.  It's just become the norm because it's something that players are allowed to get away with more so than they used to be able to.

15 hours ago, btownqb said:

Shew.. here we go... 🤣🤣

But I am in favor of essentially not calling traveling, palming... unless it's egregious, which imo is what they do now. 🤷‍♂️

I just don't think officials are very good at calling it, so I prefer "less is more" type thing, rather then them calling "travels" that aren't travels. 

I think it's more along the line of players are traveling/palming so much that the refs would have to constantly be calling it if they actually tried to enforce it.  Then fans would get pissed because the game would become a whistle/turnover fest.

that's right up there with keion brooks transferring to IU.  will have to see it to believe it.

19 hours ago, FKIM01 said:

Tell me how you think the NCAA polices this and/or what makes it illegal, beyond your general sense of fairness?

OSU doesn't have 200 players because they simply don't need 200 players.

NIL allows players to be paid.

Walk-ons are allowed.

Tell me what NCAA rule prohibits any of this.  The answer is simple.  there's nothing that prohibits it.  If the NCAA tries to write a rule, enforcement will be a living nightmare.  I don't see it being a common or frequent issue simply because many of the best basketball programs don't even use all their scholarships.  Once we get past all this extra COVID eligibility, I think it will be exceedingly rare to have a bunch of walk-ons getting NIL money.

...but it's not impossible and the NCAA has nothing to prevent it.

I wasn't talking about NIL.  But i know it has been said that a school can't give someone an academic scholarship in place of an athletic scholarship.

4 hours ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

Question.  If IU would pull his scholarship and move him to a walk on.  He is still on the team, wouldn't IU then continue to pay for his education.  Isn't that something they implemented a few years ago.  Where they would honor the scholarship regardless if you left or went to the NBA etc?  Would a NIL really be needed other than a sorry we took your scholarship, here is some free money?

I highly doubt that is legal given the whole scholarship limit thing.   That workaround would make the limit non-existent.

Trust me, if that was possible, then OSU would have 200 players on their football team by now.

Apparently we care about his younger brother.  And unfortunately his younger brother probably does care about Ron

9 minutes ago, psychobat said:

What did his brother say?

"The Hoosier crowd was very disrespectful to me and many other Big Ten players this year as well… it’s a two way street my friend you respect me i respect you. But once you cross that line all is fair game"

https://www.journalgazette.net/blog/eyeing-iu/20220425/rutgers-ron-harper-jr-calls-out-iu-fans

"Of course, that statement did not change things. There were such chants directed at players and teams throughout the season this year. If Harper's tweet is to be believed, Assembly Hall is known pretty widely in the Big Ten as a nasty place to play. This is in contrast to the crowds at Mackey Arena, which is consistently characterized as among the toughest places in the conference to perform. The crowds there rarely lapse into profanity, but rather roar from start to finish, creating one of the loudest and most disorienting environments in the country."

In contrast to Mackey Arena?  the place that regularly chants "IU sucks" even when we are not playing them.  Yup, they are the epitome of class LMAO.

I remember Haarms getting the profane chant but I also recall him acting like a "Purdue" player (aka somewhat understanding why he got the ire of the fans).  While I wouldn't have joined in the profane chant, he wasn't an innocent bystander in it.    And he isn't the first PU player to come and act like an idiot though.  

Given his older brother's comments, wonder how much of a shot we really have with Dylan.

21 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

 

Exactly. Again, it doesn't matter if one thinks a scholarship is or isn't fair compensation. 'fair' is an opinion. And opinions are about as good as toilet paper. 

Example: I think it'd be fair if I get paid $1 million dollars a year. I don't think it's fair that my d-bag neighbor get's paid over minimum wage because he's a jerk. "Fair" is meaningless.

If a player is only worth the scholarship they get, then so be it....the market will dictate that (not fans on a message board or a university). If a company wants to pay an athlete more to endorse their product, they don't need to consult us on whether or not it's 'fair'. A player is worth what they are worth. If they're value is built on unproven hype, then that risk is on the endorsing company. Worth is determined on what somebody is willing to pay you.

The macro issue that keeps getting missed is that Colleges don't have the right to cap that, as determined by the Supreme Court. While the NBA can cap salaries, they can't cap endorsement deals because they think their players salaries are high enough already. Colleges can't cap outside earnings of their students on academic scholarships. Why? Because they have absolutely no business injecting themselves into those dealings. The NCAA's purview of amateurism is not limitless. 

Again, it does NOT matter if high school athletes have alternative paths that include compensation. The NCAA's past enforcement of an athlete's NIL is unconstitutional; they are trying to control aspects beyond their purview. This should be a good thing! For once, government is putting an individual's right before an institution's. This is why NIL had bipartisan and almost unanimous bipartisan support. This is more important than Miami stealing Pack away from Purdue. IMO, we're missing the bigger picture. 

Yup fair is an opinion and we all have them.

You do have a good point on colleges shouldn't be allowed to prevent players from making money on their own.  I think most people just hate the idea of this being a minor league.  But instead of having a draft like other professional leagues, we have it open to the possibility of teams just paying their way to victory (through setting up lucrative NILs).

25 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Right, that's not how our economy works so it isn't going to happen.

This is not directed at you, but more of a general open ended question, but do we want to restrict the free market determining pay in areas that don't impact our enjoyment of sports/entertainment?

I understand this could open a pandoras box to political discourse so mods, feel free to delete if you don't want the hassle. 

When we have people that make millions or billions annually saying how they can't afford an increase in the minimum wage without raising prices to their customers, then I think all options should be on the table to counter greed/income inequality.

24 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

I hear you, don't disagree in theory, but it's not how the economy works. Not too many people take voluntary pay cuts from what the market says they're worth. 

I realize that.  It would have to be involuntary.  But i probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than that ever happening.

12 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

But most the complaints I see about the NIL aren’t that the dams broke, it’s that the players are kidding paid at all. I mean, I’m this very thread numerous posters still claim a scholarship is fair compensation. 

if someone gave me the choice of coming as a student and paying thousands of dollars each year to do so or coming as a player and getting to be a student for free, free housing, free food, and academic support....i'd take the latter in a second.

It is fair compensation.

It has been pointed out how much coaches make and saying it's unfair that players don't make anything.  But it's not that players were not making enough, it's that salaries for coaches are getting completely absurd.  Instead of paying players, they should have looked at reigning in salaries that coaches are getting. 

Maybe instead of paying coaches and their staffs millions of dollars, we could put that towards the ever increasing tuition costs that NON-PLAYERS have to pay.

Hopefully more athletic than beetle

40 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Probably not Geronimo at the 3 but otherwise a very solid lineup. I'd think that spot would more likely be Galloway, Gunn, or someone not on our roster, but that could be Final Four level good. 

Yea, probably would be a guard instead.  Bates might be optimistic too but hoping he lives up to his rating

Any rumblings?

We are the only option that would allow for him to continuing playing with 2 of his teammates.  Seems like it should have some pull.

PG Hood-Shifino (from Montverde)

SG Bates

SF Geronimo

PF Evans (from Montverde)

C Reneau (from Montverde)

Evans should make it happen. 

Eric Gordon was like NBA Jam with a cheat code lol.    Ended up having quite the injury bug though.

10 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

Having a trio of TJD, Race and Malik would be one of the best frontcourts with a replacement off the bench in the Big Ten.  Sure our guards need to shoot better overall, X improved down the stretch, Kopp can shoot he's very sporadic.  Malik > Logan D. IMO  

On paper, it's looking pretty good.  Malik definitely seems better than Logan but only basing that on rankings as I haven't seen either play.

For this year, this just makes us better where we were already strong.  What we really need is for JHS to be all that and Bates to have his sophomore jump.

7 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

top 25 team if TJD doesn't return, should he return?  top 15 team imo

It will depend on the guards and being able to shoot.

If TJD returns, I'm not sure this moves the needle much this coming year.   We aren't starting TJD, Race AND Reneau so this would provide some nice depth.  It will be hard to keep them all happy if we just have 1 big in at a time though.

If TJD doesn't return, then it's much needed depth (assuming we stick with 1 big (Race or Reneau). 

so does anyone have a player comparison? 

In our 4 out, 1 in offense that we are supposedly trying to move towards, is he definitely going to be the 1 in?