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8 minutes ago, KDB said:

He covered IUPUI while Braylon's dad played there so they've known each other for a long time.

Makes sense.  Knew there had to be something there. 

Not sure I've seen Rabjohns be so personable? (Not sure of the term to use here).. with an uncommitted recruit. 🤷‍♂️

Tennessee, USC, and Bama were looking at Ponds  

I hope we re-evaluate who we're chasing for our depth 5 piece. The only reason I was interested in the kid from Monmouth was because he had 2 years of eligibility. 

Hatton, meh. 

Woodson and staff have looked at this type of player the last 2 of 3 cycles--- Durr and Sparks-- a backup big that you can run a little offense through..  

Hatton/Monmouth kid fit that mold too. 

I don't want that. If we didn't have Goode or whatever and this spot was looking like they'd play 15-20 mins a game, maybe. 

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But with Ballo-- we're going funnel things to him defensively, find a 6'10+ lurch that blocks shots and can catch oops... if Ballo goes down, or whatever else, at least we don't have to change our style of play defensively. 

Hemenway is an "auto-add".. if he wants a spot, he gets one. 

1 minute ago, Kdug said:

With regards to the part you bolded, idk how you can say we weren’t talented enough to blow those two teams in particular out. Army lost by double digits to Stonehill, Marist, Central Connecticut, American (twice), Bucknell (twice), Colgate, and Holy Cross. Respectfully, all of those teams suck. The FGCU list isn’t quite as bad, but they were also missing one of their best players.

I think I agree that we just see the level of talent differently, which as you said is just a difference of opinion. Most rankings had us in the 80-100 range, which was near the bottom of P6 teams. Imo we were “talented” enough to be in the 40-50 range. Not good, but not as bad as we were.

I find the difference in those teams to be next to nothing. Iowa was in that range, they sucked. But, Wisconsin ended up Top 20 in KenPom makes me have serious reservations about whether I care about KenPom at all. Wisconsin SUCKED and gave up 53 to us in a half. We also watched UW get absolutely BULLIED by JMU. 

21 hours ago, Kdug said:

Maybe the record wasn’t too far off what it should’ve been, but we massively underperformed in a lot of games which is why we were nowhere near the bubble.

The end of season run showed that we could have solid performances, and XJ was still playing poorly in that stretch. We weren’t good enough to be elite or anything, but we were good enough to blow out army and FGCU. We were good enough to not get blown out by bad Penn State or Rutgers teams, remain somewhat competitive in games against good competition, or not need a crazy run to sneak by Morehead state.

 

Those are just our "worst" games. If no team is allowed to play poorly, to reach their ceiling, there were probably only 3-4 teams all year that did that. If that is the criteria 1. That's fine 2. Of course, our shit team didn't reach their ceiling, no teams did, essentially. 

Respectfully, the bold, no we weren't. Not at the beginning of November, hell no. Did you watch the exhibitions? For real, I would totally understand if you didn't watch those lol... just didn't know if you were able to check them out... we didn't blow out two D2 schools. We weren't just going to somehow fix those issues within a week and start blowing people out. In fact, UIndy made us play an entire 40-minute game... 

Maybe Army. 🤷‍♂️

Ultimately-- it seems you, and some others valued our talent more than I did. Which is fine, maybe that's where differences lie and explains our difference of opinion. Lack of talent, lack of experience, and poor guard play is how I saw our team. That's a disgusting combination. 

Should have been vs. the reality of where we actually were? 

6 minutes ago, ledies22 said:

JHS/XJ?

Am I missing something? TJD and JHS 

ohhhhhhh.... you're saying their positions with "1-2". Gotcha gotcha. I thought you were saying our "best and 2nd best scorer".. gotcha. 

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But, either way, I shouldn't have included that year, because JHS wasn't eligible for the exercise. Thanks and sorry for wasting time lol 

6 minutes ago, ledies22 said:

Assembly Call brought up an interesting point. Last year IU had 0 players on the roster to play at least 40% of minutes and have a career high of over 20 points. This year we have 6. 
TG -28

MR - 34

KC - 31

Rice - 35

Ballo - 30

MM - 24

when was the last time IU had the 1 and 2 be able to go out and get you 30? 

1-2? 

2 years ago. 

1-2-3-4-5-6? Not often. 

2013-- Cody, VO(2 games), Hulls, Watford, Sheehey (1 game)--- so just 5 on that team. 

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20pts+ games as a FR

Kanaan-- 3x, Rice--- 6x, MM--- 3x. Kanaan also missed 8 or so games. 

Zeller--- 7x, Hulls---- 1x (Watford, Sheehey, and VO didn't score over 20 points in a game as FR)

4 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said:

That trade may end up being about as bad as the Bears trade up for Trubiski. 

They were so much more than.. "a QB away"

Where are the Pro-Woodson posters!?!?! 

tf is Lilliard doing? 

Patrick Beverely deserves his ass kicked. 

11 minutes ago, Kdug said:

In trank and kenpom we dropped about 40-50 spots from the start of the year to the end of the year. I’d say that signals underachieving, or at bare minimum we didn’t hit our ceiling. Part of us being underdogs in some big ten games was due to massively underachieving in 

19-14 wasn't far at all from our ceiling, if not, at our ceiling. 

As soon as XJ was a NET zero or worse, we were f'ed. 

1 minute ago, kyhoosier29 said:

Right, but odds aren’t set at the beginning of the season. Maybe a much better D and rebounding team, which could have been possible maybe changes some of those underdog tags to favorite tags (especially some of the home games) as the season goes along. But I get your argument. End of the day, poor roster construction limited the teams ceiling, but I’m not sure he got everything out of them that he could have. 

600+ conference mins from Cupps and Gunn seals the deal for me. It also massively pissed me off that we chose that route. 

Just now, kyhoosier29 said:

I think you both can be right. The roster construction was terrible and that was CMW’s fault. He MAY have gotten out of that roster what you believe was the max. I kind of disagree because rebounding and defense is a lot of effort and could have improved the team (although limited still), but there didn’t seem to be an emphasis on either. 

We were damn close to our ceiling, we weren't favored (other than PSU at home) in games we lost... even the home ones.  

Multiple games we won when we weren't favored. I think we even, at one point, won 4 straight games that we weren't favored in. 

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But see-- I don't see this as some massive defense of Woodson, the bar being THAT low to begin with, is a BIG issue. 

Just now, tdhoosier said:

If we were going to be a team with an identity of being highly efficient on 2 point field goals (like Kansas, for example), then we needed a greater emphasis in at least a few of these areas

1. rebounding
2. reducing turnovers
3. solid defense (top 50ish)
4. making our free throws. 

That's the only way the math works when making up the difference against teams who are going to shoot 10+ more 3 pointers than we do. More second chance points for us. Less second chance points for them. Capitalize on FTs.

This is something we didn't not do last year. Lack of talent has something to do with it. But I think the team could've used a better defensive system to match their abilities/cover their liabilities. Rebounding is about emphasis (from coaching staff) and effort (from players).....and we lacked both. AND I have no idea why this program is curse when it comes to FT shooting. 

I don't think we reached our ceiling, but our ceiling wasn't that high anyway. 

So what teams did we lose to that we were better than? 

Woodson and the staff's issue last year was scouting and development. I pray those have been rectified. The winter will take care of itself, if so. 

3 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

A good coach could have gotten more out of that than Woodson's clog the post crap that he calls an offense.

Woodson also found success running zone defense but then decides well, that worked too well, back to man to man.

The bold-- yeah no, he couldn't when you play the two dudes I mentioned 600+ mins... MM couldn't dribble for 3/4 of the year, TG has offensive deficiencies, etc etc etc. 

You mean, the one game against Kenny Payne and Louisville!?!

Other than PSU at home, were we even favored in ANY game we lost? 

Pretty sure we weren't. 

Just now, iuswingman said:

yes, because i can't see things objectively just because i don't agree with your OPINION

L-O-L 

So playing CJ Gunn and Cupps 600+ mins, in a power 5 conference, is a route to be successful for a team? 

Just now, iuswingman said:

yes, yes he did

If you can't see things objectively, I can understand that. 

Playing CJ Gunn and Cupps 600+ mins IN CONFERENCE play... and ending up 10-10 in those games and 19-14 overall... is about the tops of where that grouping of players could be. 

10 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

Jesus Christ you still thought pretending the roster's limitations was a defense that deflected the point that Woodson is a shit coach.

He still vastly underachieved with his poorly constructed roster.

No, no he didn't.  We were absolutely GOD awful with Haircut Gunn and Gabe Cupps playing 600+ mins at guard lol... still won 19 games. 

It's gross that was our ceiling, but lord have some ability to see things objectively. 

3 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

 those 2 things aren't contradicting each other so not sure what point you think you're making.

sure they are... 

6 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

Jesus Christ you still thought pretending the roster's limitations was a defense that deflected the point that Woodson is a shit coach.

19-14 was last season's ceiling. The fact that is where the ceiling was is the issue. 

"pretending roster limitations was a defense"--- no, It's just stupid to make yourself have to play CJ Gunn, Sparks, Banks, Cupps, and Walker 900+ mins in conference play. No coach comes out of that successful.