IU/Butler/Notre Dame

2 hours ago, ledies22 said:

I mean shouldn't the NCAA step in at this point?

Morally ? Probably ….optically ? Probably ….I think the problem is the prevailing fear that if you take an administrative action and NOTHING ever comes to light that would implicate miller criminally or, worse , if something clearly exculpatory is brought into the public domain now you’re going to deal with not only the wrath of the school and fanbase but also the direct brunt of our fair weather/ bandwagon  media who will jump on whatever the trend du jour is.  headline:  NCAA unfairly ruins alabamas best historical season and drastically damages top prospects draft status ( probably written more dramatically )

6 minutes ago, Hoosier4Life53 said:

The media (even ESPN) is calling for Miller to be suspended, and the program to be shut down for the remainder of season just like New Mexico State. I’m sure Alabama is going to try to ride this out until the coverage dies down, but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen anytime soon. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out, and if he makes it through the end of season.

Interesting for sure but with where they sit I think there is too much on the line for them to shut it down ….I think they would have to become aware of additional circumstances/evidence that is likely to clearly implicate miller. 

11 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

Yeah I understand that, but we have text messages saying otherwise, right?

Doesn't the fact that we have conflicting information show a full investigation needs to happen, and potentially a jury trial to determine the truth? 

11 hours ago, BGleas said:

Was just sharing the info, not saying I'm buying it. 

I don’t know if there is conflicting info or not. It would depend on if/how Miller replied to Miles' text messages. His lawyer is making it sound like Miller didn't reply or even see the message Miles sent asking for the gun. 

Again, not saying I buy it, just sharing what the lawyer is selling. 

11 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

That's fair, and I honestly hope that what the attorney is saying is the truth.

The fact that Bama and the DA decided to it didn't even require an investigation is pretty telling, IMO. 

Speculation here …every case is SUPPOSED to be handled the same regardless of who the victim is and regardless of who the alleged offender is…. that being said, it doesn’t always shake out that way.  I’ve done no research into the prosecutors current election cycle , prosecutorial history, or political affiliation but just evaluating generally my guess is he or she is going to be slow to file any formal charge against miller even if initial information supports it.  The following are substantial factors 1. It’s going to be a high profile case so you either show off for the cameras or you’re careful not to make a mistake to look stupid when the magnifying glass is on you  2.  It’s unfortunate that our current climate is what it is but millers race has to factor into the timing decision because you don’t want the aclu or Ben crump ripping you for filing a formal charge without sufficient position to do so.  Well founded filings are scrutinized …Reactionary filings are crucified so if you decide to charge him make sure you’re right first 3.  A slight delay could let miller finish his season so even if you choose to charge him you haven’t alienated a fan base that may make up a large portion or your electorate and you also may win favor with the university which could carry political influence 

11 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

I believe the text messages where the gun was requested by Miles also mentioned the argument.

Wouldn't saying, "hey I'm in an argument, bring me my loaded gun" generally put the person bringing the gun into a position of knowledge about what might happen? 

I had not seen that.  You are definitely correct If I was prosecuting the case that would be a central component to determining if he should be charged.  Any other information that comes to light that suggests prior knowledge increased the likelihood he may face some criminal liability.

On 2/21/2023 at 10:22 PM, dgambill said:

Police gave a statement. 🤷‍♂️

22 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

Yeah I don’t think that’s nearly as finalized as you do. 

It’s definitely a pickle …I read an article that mentioned some facts that allegedly came from arrest affidavits…without being intimately familiar with Alabama laws ( as they may differ slightly, in a general sense, from Indiana criminal code), the most interesting point of the fact pattern for me was a mention of millet having parked his vehicle in such a way that appeared to impede the movement of the victims vehicle.  The potential for criminal liability ( or defense therefrom) hinges primarily on miller having knowledge of his friends intent to commit a crime or if he should have been reasonably aware.  He could hold a position of plausible deniability if he had no knowledge of a potential conflict and simply brought the firearm at his friends request.  If he had further detail of the purpose for the request  ( which  purposefully boxing in a car could suggest via circumstantial evidence) he could open himself to co-conspirator ,felony actor, accomplice , or vicarious liability

16 hours ago, btownqb said:

Alex Hemenway is someone I'd be fine with adding if he were to grad transfer. 

Could be a veteran presence for JHS🙏 and Cupps. 

Also a 43% career 3pt shooter on 250 attempts. 

Castle grad ….will hit open shots which we could really really really use 

3 hours ago, rico said:

If Oates overlooked character issues with this kid then he has a problem.  

I mean all coaches are kind of getting cut off at the knees there …you’ve never had to cater to kids more so than now 

12 hours ago, cthomas said:

Sad on so many levels. Does anyone help these kids with life skills or do they just focus on their athletic skills. 

No that’s the sad part …if you have the athletic ability they will get you in regardless of red flags or liability and they don’t care about much more than the w’s or the l’s and in the world of nil you can’t be too hard on the kids or they leave 

18 hours ago, Madison22 said:

The top 3 players on Luke Brown's Stetson team are from Indiana.  Leading scorer is Jalen  Blackmon.

Luke Brown also shooting free throws at almost 93%.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/stetson/2023.html

Makes them very fun to watch …Blackmon was shooting really poorly to start the season but has picked it up big time in the last 5 games and josh smith is a double double machine …you might see them in the NCAA tourney this year or next …they almost got Pete suder from Carmel too who ended up at bellarmine ……I went through all the qualified shooters who are 40% from three and only two players in the country are shooting 50/40/90, luke brown is the only one shooting 50/50/90

19 hours ago, Lurker said:

I don't remember people doubting that he could shoot.

True even the people who really didn’t like him were fair about that I think the main knock was he could shoot against small high schools but he wouldn’t be able to against D1 defense and the ASUN isn’t a power conference but they’ve played Florida state Florida ucf and south Florida on top of their conference so I also wouldn’t say it’s been a cake walk 

9 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Needs to work at getting some blocks.  

And dunks 

Halfway through and there is an indiana kid leading the country in 3pt percentage 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/purdue-basketball-recruit-jack-benter-015441267.html

Stetson game tonight brown 20 on 7-10 from field and 6-7 from three.  Blackmon 21 on 7-11 shooting.  Josh smith with 16 and 9 boards.  Indiana kids put up 57 points and brown and blackmon have combined for 96 the last two games 

suder was solid for bellarmine also with 14 but Stetson blew them out from the tip 

Blackmon finally shot like himself …tore it up ….josh smith from Monrovia had 8 points and 13 boards in less minutes than he typically gets Stetson could win their tourney if the indiana kids play consistently 

2 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said:

Washington State stuns Arizona in Tucson.

Had a close one the other night with Washington also ! Surprised me as deep and talented as Arizona is …really complete team 

13 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Lewis has BSU playing with an edge and a physicality that pretty impressive. They are up 68-62 with a minute to go. This is the second game in a row I have watched BSU. Last game they won with offense while scoring 90 points. Today it is with defense and just physical play 

 

Lewis finally has them playing together ( or more together at least )

4 hours ago, rico said:

Big one in Muncie tonight.  Go Cards!

Seven straight Lewis is making it happen

8 hours ago, NotIThatLives said:

Furst is like top 80, K-Renn was around 40, Smith is like a 130ish(that may be high) Morton an over ranked 80ish.  But yeah, that's the lowest ranked #1 backcourt in the last 70 years.  Edey hides a lot of athletic flaws defensively but they move the ball and play as a team.  Really just smart basketball 101, make the extra pass and play as a team.  Why you can't  get Instagram NILnplayers to realize playing as a team and winning big equals more Instagram honies and more NIL monies is because their brains aren't developed beyond instant gratification.   And it shows

From watching all of them in high school multiple times I would have had Furst ( other than Morton )  as their best recruit I would have had kaufman renn around a hundred or higher …I understand smiths size hurt him in the rankings but  intangibles matter and if you have a kid who is a winner and has to work to get there they can be worth a chance and it’s gonna pay off for them for four years which is frustrating I think you are exactly correct and the majority of the top 100 ( whether true or not ) are convinced that they are going somewhere for a year or two and on to the pros ….a lot of kids could make more money stringing together 3-4 years of deep tourney runs and or national championships as you said but we will probably never find out 

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

Sometimes the hardest kids to coach into a team are the 5 stars...

 

SO true …they aren’t staying long enough to coach and the coach needs them more than the player needs the coach …not a recipe for team building so you live or die by the talent 

54 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

Texas is loaded with 4 stars right now.  But then again, Morton is a 4 star, edey is unranked and better at hockey thank basketball.  And Smiths next best offer was Ball st.  So I have no clue what he would do with talent.  

It’s because he goes and finds the kids they will be ( for the most part ) 3-4 year players and he takes the time to not JUST look at the ranking boxes that  have been checked and settle there …he takes kids who will have a chip on their shoulder and he values hard work as much as talent.  A kid they is told they are gods gift from age 10 through high school often starts to believe it and they’ve always been good.  A kid like Braden smith is athletic enough but he’s where he is because he’s spent his life out working and wanting it more than his opponents ….you need a team full of that to be successful if you aren’t getting top 100 kids and painter does that 

1 hour ago, Reacher said:

Utah is strong defensively and won by 15. This may bode well for us. 

Well for us knocking them around ….not so well for us in hoping Arizona stays a strong q1 win comes year end

1 minute ago, DWB said:

Wouldn't be surprised to see Race out there guarding him. Might not do it well, but Bates isn't the right guy. Maybe Gallo.

He can guard 1-5