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The UNC program is different than some of the headlines imply.  The agreement only involves players that want to use the UNC logo/trademarks. Participation in the logo/trademark “group program” is voluntary and does not inhibit any player from also cutting their own individual NIL deals. A player can chose to be in the group program and also have their own individual side deals (not using the school trademarks/logos) I’m guessing this will help the entire UNC basketball team, as an example, make some cash while the stars will also cut individual deals for big money.
It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out. How long will it take for coaches to bring NIL per player data on the recruiting trail? Some uber  rich guy like Cook might guarantee 4-5-6k (pick a number) in NIL deals for every basketball commit.

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

@IU878176 I literally accept others viewpoints and I'm certainly not spouting off that people should agree with me. Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean my opinion should be dismissed. 

OK, respect your opinion while you call Scott “Putin” for his opinion. Got it. I’m in my 60’s and have been “forced” to get vaccines my entire life. Many were required to be able to go to school but now all the sudden getting a shot for the greater good is somehow communist or a loss of freedoms. 

13 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Imagine being this righteous. 

Are you referencing Scott or yourself….

This is great news. When is signing day?

11 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

I hope to get Curry, but I think he will go out of state

Getting a DL like Curry would be huge but according to his recruiting profile his top 4 are Oregon, Alabama, OSU and Clemson which gives a pretty good idea that he is looking for a national championship type team.

3 hours ago, DC2345 said:

Weaver with a CB to IU with 8 confidence

Fantastic. This would give us 2 of the top 5 players in the state. Great to land those kids as opposed to seeing them all go to UM, OSU, ND etc, etc

EDIT: According to 247…. in the 15 recruiting classes,  from 2004-2018, we landed a grand total of 6 of the top 5 kids from Indiana (6 out of 75).  Would be great to get 2-3 a year.

1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said:

Schiano returning as HC is the reason. He had that program in a good place before leaving for the NFL.

Agree, but they were totally in the toilet but have the 14th ranked class in the country with six 4 stars. Pretty impressive that he has improved their recruiting so quickly but somewhat of a bummer as the East needs a couple of doormat teams.

53 minutes ago, Iuhoopsfan said:

Pegram with a Crystal Ball pick for Duke.  Ugh. 

That’s a bummer but not shocking. That being said he is ranked 45th in the country which is virtually “slumming it” for Duke.  

20 hours ago, btownqb said:

I realize OL and DL aren't sexy.. but if Moore is as good as he's rated he should be target #1.. he and Strickland. 

OL and DL are sexy to me ...LOL. Those are positions that were partially responsible for us to struggle for many years. We had plenty of seasons with good skill players but did not win much because of being dominated on both sides of the ball.

11 hours ago, Leathernecks said:

We have gone from hoping we can find diamonds in the rough to routinely getting the guys who are missing out on the blue bloods.  We have so many commits this year already who have major P5 offers.

Plus 1.

In addition to looking at a recruits rankings I look at who else has offered them and am blown away by who we are beating out. We are landing kids with multiple BT, SEC and ACC offers. Back in the Lynch, Hep, Dinardo etc years we had classes in which IU was the only power 5 offer for nearly the entire class. We were beating out Central Michigan etc back then as opposed to Tennessee, MSU, Auburn, etc etc these days. Really excited for the season to start.

11 hours ago, Leathernecks said:

Even though they are far from perfect, I'm one who is still a big fan of rankings.  Nothing predicting the future will ever be perfect.  Even with some bumps in ratings to attract interest from certain schools, rankings are still a decent gauge.  In general, the more highly ranked players we get, the more talent we'll have.

 

I agree. Of course the rankings aren’t infallible but I think they help indicate the odds, not guarantee, of success. It’s easy to find a 5 star that flopped and a 2 star that became a stud but a team with a number of highly ranked players has a much better chance of winning big than a team with a bunch of 2 stars.  That being said you can certainly point to coaches such as Allen doing well with less than elite (but rapidly improving) talent while Harbaugh has been horribly underachieving at UM in spite of landing some quality classes.

4 hours ago, Indykev said:

Archie couldnt get either to come. Who sits on schollys with that team he put together. I think Archie was put in a bad spot with the recruit Indiana kids first. Handcuffed him.

 I admittedly do not have inside ties to the program like you do but I don’t understand how Archie was hamstrung by an “Indiana kids first” mandate. I looked at his offers in his last  3 classes and he offered far, far more out of state players than Indiana players. The issue seemed to be that he did not successfully land many out of state players (not to mention leaving open spots year after year). 

7 hours ago, Seeking6 said:

I can attest to this. Had it when I was overtraining for minimarathon. Sat me down flat for 6 weeks.

I once had bourbanitis and it also sidelined me from a marathon.

100% happy we are doing this but did I correctly read that we are playing 2 games? I would have assumed an international trip would include multiple teams and 6-8 games.

1 hour ago, dbmhoosier said:

This isn't rocket science.  Archie is Crean but he's a complete introvert while Crean is a used car salesman.  Crean was able to use Dwade and his personality to grift his way into the GA job.  Archie won't have that luxury.

It’s not just the personality difference.

IU football, BEFORE ALLEN, would have been thrilled to hire a coach that had won the SEC 2 of the previous 5 years. From a basketball standpoint Georgia was like “Lynch-type”  IU football and they hired the coach that brought back IU, put multiple guys in the NBA and won the Big Ten 2 of the previous 5 years. We complained about his consistency, and 1,000 other things, but the Georgia AD was still able to say “I hired the dude that won the tough Big Ten 2 of the last 5 years”.

Try selling Miller and his 9th and 10th place finishes to that exact same fan base. He did literally nothing in his tenure to get another Power 5 school excited. NOTHING.  I’m not saying Miller can’t work his way back to a Power 5 job, if he excels at a mid-major level first, but I think he needs to prove himself again.

1 hour ago, Indykev said:

Agree, at a point i wont put out what i hear.

I hope you do post what you hear as I am interested as to what Woodson won’t tolerate. 

1 hour ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Scale of 1-10, how surprised are you guys?

Not surprised at all, especially after seeing the Fife interview. Fife made it clear they were not done adding players (I.e. someone else was going to leave) and he went on and on about Rob’s potential which led me to believe Rob was staying. We heard how Leal and Galloway were solid with IU, numerous statements from TJD etc, etc but virtually nothing about Hunter or his future with the team.

19 hours ago, Hoosier51 said:

Like you said maybe he will turn out to be a good player one day, but there is a reason not many high major schools was offering him. If I remember right, which I might not, didn't people use to complain when Crean offered players a scholarship when their only other offers were from schools like Belmont and Appalachian State.

Prillers only offer was from Incarnate Word and there were a A TON of justifiable complaints. Also a bunch of complaints about the Grant Gelon offer and others.

On 5/8/2021 at 11:38 PM, BornHoosier said:

Thank you but the point is very mute these days as the instate team that has kicked our arse for what seems as a decade chose to sign the kid.  It had nothing to do with 26 pts per game that had me intrigued but more of how he managed to score his pts and that is the stop and pop, I can make it in the hoop no matter who is guarding me mentality that this IU team has lacked since YOGi.  Please forgive me as I'm not comparing the talent of Yogi vs Smith but I see Smith as the more natural shooter and creator than Yogi!  Funny, who is ranked 3 star (Smith) vs 5 star(Yogi) but I will throw out Stars and relate to film when I watch how Smith shoots the ball so natural.  Time will tell the whole story here as Smith has committed to PU but I feel that our NBA staff just may have overlooked a potential in state juggernaut due to size and/or race!!!  I grew up the biggest Bob Knight, Born Hoosier supporter but will keep an eye out for this kid to succeed and hope our NBA potential offers don't shoot ourselves in the ars when they can't hit water if they fell out of a boat!  

Good luck to the kid. Maybe he will turn out to be great, and PU struck gold, but we are not exactly the only school to possibly mis-diagnose his talent as his only other offers were Belmont and Appalachian State. 
Every year some guys fall through the cracks. Maybe he is one of them, we will see.

On 5/5/2021 at 5:09 PM, Seeking6 said:

Amazing to me how little fanfare this commit is getting. Minus Gordon, Romeo, and Cody....he's got to be the highest ranked recruit in 20 years. JJ was probably in there too.

It is GREAT that we landed him.

Top 20 in the nation recruits, in the last 20 or so years ago, in order from the top:

Gordon

Langford

Vonieh

Zeller

DJWhite

Blackmon

Yogi

Bryant

Lander probably would have stayed in top 20 if he did not leave HS early

Jeffries was also probably there but he signed a year or two before the cutoff for the 247 rankings I looked at.

On 4/27/2021 at 8:16 AM, btownqb said:

man.. you're just looking at the ranking. 22p 6a 5r playing in Hamilton Co isn't something that just "a ton of kids across the country" can do. 

No I’m not just looking at the ranking.
Making comparisons that he is only 6’ just like Yogi were made and my point is that Yogi was an exceptional, extraordinary 5”11-6’ player.
You are in rare air when you are that size and are a burger boy that ends up in the NBA.

I stick with, and of course we can agree to disagree, my statement that there are a ton of kids that have gaudy stats across the country. All you need to do is look at first team conference players for dozens of conferences in every state in the country. I agree that Hamilton county sets him apart from many of those conferences but comparing him to a Yogi type player is a stretch.

On 1/31/2021 at 2:57 PM, KDB said:

3-star DL from Orlando, FL.

Sounds like IU is in good shape here - USC and Penn State offered on the 22nd and 23rd.

https://247sports.com/Player/Zane-Durant-46097810/

His offer list is off the charts.

It’s amazing who we are recruiting against, and in some cases winning, vs 8/10/12 years ago. I remember debating/posting when some thought we had enough talent to win but I would point out that our recruiting classes would have been ranked 6th or so in f’n Conference USA back then. We have come a loooooooonnnnnggggg way!!!!!!

On 4/25/2021 at 12:21 AM, BornHoosier said:

We haven't had a true prolific, stop and pop or a cross over step back 3 pt shooter on this roster since Yogi and it's no coincidence we haven't made the dance since.  If this is a 5 star, 6-4 stud or a 2 star, mid major, 5-10 hopeful, I don't care as long as they get the job done.  Yogi was under 5'9" and what he brought to the table offensively easily outweighed any deficiencies on defense much like Smith will. These stats, even if at the high school level, are still on par with the greatest to ever play the game which is why I truly can't believe the lack of buzz from being Caucasian and 6'.

OK, against my better judgement I’ll bite.

Yogi was a 5 star, 2nd ranked PG in the nation, recruit in high school that now plays in the NBA. If Smith was my kid I would be very proud of his 20 per game but a ton of kids across the country do that every year. I think your Yogi vs Smith comparison is, to say the least, a bit of a stretch.

1 hour ago, BobSaccamanno said:

I think any of the numbers between 20 and 24 are perfect for him. 

I’ve read that he wears 53 because his grandmother passed away at 53.

EDIT: from Rivals “At Texas, Bates is planning to wear No. 53 to honor his grandmother Felicia Hurst who was only 53 when she passed away”.

On 3/12/2021 at 10:29 AM, btownqb said:

Just bought our season tickets for the year!!! I'm ready. 

I’d be on the season ticket train if I lived anywhere remotely close to driving distance to Bloomington.

I really, really, really hope attendance picks up this year and significantly more people stay for the entire game. The Iowa and Cincinnati games will be challenging and set the tone for the whole year.  Looking forward to the season.