Muddy River

I agree, we should only have to follow the laws we agree with...

This is where you and I differ. The Delphi case aside, I see no reason to keep this piece of garbage alive. He is evil, and evil needs to be extinguished.

That dude looks like he came right out of Central Casting for "Hoosiers"' Mr. Kopp, "Welcome to Indiana Basketball!"

Dude, everybody know it was a "Snickers" and Nutter Butters. Geeze, it's like playing the telephone game around here!!

He did. One of your ex wives answered, thought it was your divorce lawyer and hung up.

Out of curiosity, why does academic integrity matter to you?

I will tell you that I was friends with Calbert during his Junior year. The guy didn't have a car at all, he rode to class with me. He had a milk crate for a TV stand. Is there a reason the College Player of the Year to be was left out of all of the illicit benefits? Was there anyone on the team more deserving than him? I heard a lot of stories similar to the one you told, but they were never first hand, and my own first hand experiences were quite different. But then again, I'm told I'm naive (I guess I can add dumb as crap to the list as well), so there is that.

So far we have established that the segment of our fan base that wants to do things above board and with integrity is "Perfect", "Holier than thou" and "Naive". So what words are we allowed to use for the segment of our fanbase who want to outright cheat to win? Can I start the list, or will that rile up the moderators?

Saying someone else did the same thing doesn't really answer the question. I see where not officially hiring a coach so he can in person recruit is a gray area, This seems more extreme to me.

Do you really think what Yasir attempted to do was "gray"?

I agree with everything you said, and this last sentence is why this "alleged" hire makes zero sense to me. There are hundreds of people who could fill that 3rd chair who don't bring the cloud of suspicion. Keep Mike Roberts, hell, hire IU Scott, I think he's looking for work, and neither of them brings the cloud of suspicion. And IF (Big If) Yasir ever decided to go rogue, we wouldn't know until it is too late. He will have access to players worth paying for here. IU has danced with this devil previously and we still haven't recovered. I just don't see the reason to take another bite of this apple.

Speak for yourself.

Seriuosly! We should just hire Dave Bliss as the 3rd assistant, Knight ties, IU ties, head coaching experience, he checks all the boxes.

Just because nobody picked up the ugly prostitute, doesn't mean she wasn't out on the corner trying.

You're Back!!!!!

When did wanting things done the right way with minimal risk become the wrong attitude? asking for a friend.

Is this really necessary? I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and empathy for the challenges you've faced with you son. Nowhere did I say I was perfect, and I certainly do not believe that to be the case. I am not against second chances, but I think we have to make sure it is the right situation. The IU basketball program has not recovered from the last second chance we gave. While Yasir might be deserving of a second chance, I'm not sure I think IU is in a position to give it. Just my thoughts, nothing else.

And, I hear 5Fouls is a terrific marriage counselor....

But, you, of all people, are OK with the ethical lapses?

How is this trolling? I'm open to new ideas or suggestions. I don't like the potential hire, for a number of reasons, but I'm open to opposing views. I think he has questionable ethics and is being sold as a shot doctor who didn't shoot well, or coach it well. You say otherwise. Why so?

I was never a fan of the Ellenberger hire, but Coach Knight had more cache than Mike Woodson. I simply don't see the need for the risk at this point. As you said a 3rd assistant won't bring a tremendous amount to the table, but he can certainly take a program down. #Notworththerisk.

I simply posted that he was not personally a good shooter, and that his last team was not particularly good at shooting. Certainly lots of variables, but the evidence available does not lend itself to the conclusion he is a shot doctor. Do you have evidence that suggests otherwise? I'd love to see it. Nothing I'd like to see more than to have Rob start shooting the 3 at a 40% clip. is there evidence that this guy can get him there?

EXACTLY!! So why take the risk?

Look, maybe the guy is terrific at relating to kids, fine, sell that. Don't sell that he is a shot doctor when no one has provided any evidence as to such, and the evidence available suggests otherwise.

Yeah you're right, people said the same about the Sampson hire, and that worked pretty well.........