southsidehoosier Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, btownqb said: Can't auto-agree about Maryland. XJ would have defended Young better than JHS did. JHS has struggled defensively against those types of guards. XJ does not. Fair...I just felt we prob dropped another game outside of Penn State even fully healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, southsidehoosier said: Fair...I just felt we prob dropped another game outside of Penn State even fully healthy. Reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Man, I really just hope we get a version of XJ that can still do a lot of similar stuff he could do pre-injury before the tourney. It just makes us a much more dynamic team on both sides of the ball. In the limited number of games we've had him, JHS, and TJD all healthy, we've looked like an elite team. That win at Xavier is looking like it might be the best non-con win in the Big Ten (Illinois vs UCLA might be better, but it was neutral instead of a road game), and JHS really didn't even play that well. That's Xavier's only home loss of the year, which includes games against West Virginia, UConn, Marquette, Creighton, Providence, etc. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, btownqb said: Reasonable. I think with XJ your best argument is Northwestern x2 and the Iowa game as possible/probable wins. Lost those 3 by a combined 5 points. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 44 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: I think with XJ your best argument is Northwestern x2 and the Iowa game as possible/probable wins. Lost those 3 by a combined 5 points. Ehh.. Maryland was not an 11 pt game or even close to it. I mean.. I think we beat those 3 teams you named because we'd just be a lot better. I'm already chalking those up as Ws. I just don't think Maryland, even by the laws of averages, is an auto loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 Does XJ take minutes from Bates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Purdue7 said: Does XJ take minutes from Bates? I will be pleasantly surprised if XJ gives us anything meaningful this season. I hope for him that he gets to dress and make an appearance(s) at the end of his IU career. His best asset is his quickness. I’ll be shocked if he comes back with the same quickness right away. He’s also had a tendency to be a slow starter, so the later his return, the less likely he’ll be a major factor. Hope he proves me wrong. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWB Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 14 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said: His best asset is his quickness. I’ll be shocked if he comes back with the same quickness right away. And no matter how much conditioning he does, he still won't be in "game shape". And I agree he'll be slower, for a few weeks until he gets to the "new normal". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 14 hours ago, Purdue7 said: Does XJ take minutes from Bates? Probably everyone on the perimeter except maybe JHS would have their minutes slightly reduced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 15 hours ago, Purdue7 said: Does XJ take minutes from Bates? From Bates and Galloway most likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slojoe Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: From Bates and Galloway most likely. We only have 3 guards in the rotation right now -- Galloway, JHS, and Bates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 I’m not sorry for stating this, but sorry it is what it is… We have just a few home games left. Let Bates get some minutes in those, if he plays within himself. If he starts throwing up bad shots, as is his wont, sit him. He gets no minutes on the road. This opinion is not out of I’ll-will towards him, but after watching him play for close to two years. I have never seen a more underwhelming 5 star player 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: I’m not sorry for stating this, but sorry it is what it is… We have just a few home games left. Let Bates get some minutes in those, if he plays within himself. If he starts throwing up bad shots, as is his wont, sit him. He gets no minutes on the road. This opinion is not out of I’ll-will towards him, but after watching him play for close to two years. I have never seen a more underwhelming 5 star player KL? And was bates a 5? I thought he was high four. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: I’m not sorry for stating this, but sorry it is what it is… We have just a few home games left. Let Bates get some minutes in those, if he plays within himself. If he starts throwing up bad shots, as is his wont, sit him. He gets no minutes on the road. This opinion is not out of I’ll-will towards him, but after watching him play for close to two years. I have never seen a more underwhelming 5 star player You are correct, he is unplayable on the road right now. Hopefully we can get something out of him in our three remaining home games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 58 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: I have never seen a more underwhelming 5 star player Khristian Lander. Is that you? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 17 hours ago, Purdue7 said: Does XJ take minutes from Bates? Takes them from everyone... Probably Bates the most. For sure 2-3 mins of JHSs time, as well.. unless JHS is really filling it up. He'll take some of Miller's too and TG will play the 3. That could mean Kopps at the 4.. if we are able to stomach it defensively... so, actually he would be cutting into Race/Malik/JGs mins, in that situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said: I have never seen a more underwhelming 5 star player 247 had him ranked #30.. 4 star Rivals had him at #34 also 4 star That said he is shooting 41% from 3, and his D is improving...He definitely need better shot selection, but I'm not too worried about that... Young players struggle on the road... Maybe our expectations were too high coming in, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, IUFLA said: 247 had him ranked #30.. 4 star Rivals had him at #34 also 4 star That said he is shooting 41% from 3, and his D is improving...He definitely need better shot selection, but I'm not too worried about that... Young players struggle on the road... Maybe our expectations were too high coming in, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet... Nope. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 XJ will be eased back into things. We won't see him playing XJ level minutes until the NCAA tournament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: 247 had him ranked #30.. 4 star Rivals had him at #34 also 4 star That said he is shooting 41% from 3, and his D is improving...He definitely need better shot selection, but I'm not too worried about that... Young players struggle on the road... Maybe our expectations were too high coming in, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet... As close as it can be to a 5. Would like to see a breakdown between shooting at home v on the road. I bet it is really drastic. I said this in a game thread a week or so back. He is nothing but a 3 point specialist at this point. He rushes shots and appears to come off the bench with the mindset that he’s got to get his. He has little to no handle and often makes poor decisions as a result. He struggles on the court, not just on the road when he tries to do things he’s not capable of. As I said, let him play a few minutes in the home games and if he plays within his skill set, give him a few more minutes. Otherwise, he should sit. Give the minutes to Banks. The only other time I’d consider playing him is when the other team is in an obvious fouling situation. He is excellent from the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Would like to see a breakdown between shooting at home v on the road. I bet it is really drastic. It is... Still, as I said, life on the road in the Big 10 is tough on young players... When Tamar gets his feet set and has an open look, I'm as confident in him as I am anybody on the team from 3 Edited February 18, 2023 by IUFLA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier4Life53 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said: I’m not sorry for stating this, but sorry it is what it is… We have just a few home games left. Let Bates get some minutes in those, if he plays within himself. If he starts throwing up bad shots, as is his wont, sit him. He gets no minutes on the road. This opinion is not out of I’ll-will towards him, but after watching him play for close to two years. I have never seen a more underwhelming 5 star player If he stays around for a couple more years, I still have hope he’ll reach his potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, IUFLA said: It is... Still, as I said, life on the road in the Big 10 is tough on young players... When Tamar gets his feet set and has an open looks, I'm as confident in him as I am anybody on the team from 3 I also question you’re calling him a “young player.” IMO, 2/3rds of the way through his Sophomore year, he’s no longer a young player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, Steubenhoosier said: I also question you’re calling him a “young player.” IMO, 2/3rds of the way through his Sophomore year, he’s no longer a young player We'll have to disagree on that one...He's 19...Will be 20 in 3 days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 Recently (because of Covid) guys are playing 5, 6 years in their careers. So a sophomore is still young, especially in context/comparison to those with an additional 3 years of experience. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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