IU Scott Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 If UI and Rutgers wins tonight there will be 8 teams tied with 8 losses, that includes MSU which is 10-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, IU Scott said: If UI and Rutgers wins tonight there will be 8 teams tied with 8 losses, that includes MSU which is 10-8 Parity or a function of Big Ten home cooking being awful? Edit to add: or option 3, unbalanced schedule? Edited March 2, 2023 by IUCrazy2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between2Halls Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 I may be way off on this, but college basketball seems to be more like the NBA than ever in terms of the swings between games that seem to come out of nowhere. Big wins followed by weird or confusing losses. As a fan I have always hung on each game, but it feels foolish to have that approach any longer. Ups and downs until the end, and then let’s go all in at playoff time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, Between2Halls said: I may be way off on this, but college basketball seems to be more like the NBA than ever in terms of the swings between games that seem to come out of nowhere. Big wins followed by weird or confusing losses. As a fan I have always hung on each game, but it feels foolish to have that approach any longer. Ups and downs until the end, and then let’s go all in at playoff time. In a respectful way, it's been that way for awhile now. The country is so balanced. The difference between the 5th best team and the 55th best team is so marginal. The fronts of jerseys matter very little. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: If UI and Rutgers wins tonight there will be 8 teams tied with 8 losses, that includes MSU which is 10-8 I think we want UM to win, yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, btownqb said: In a respectful way, it's been that way for awhile now. The country is so balanced. The difference between the 5th best team and the 55th best team is so marginal. The fronts of jerseys matter very little. https://www.ncaa.com/history/basketball-men/d1 I think the front of the jersey matters quite a bit. It does in the NBA too. Edited March 2, 2023 by IUCrazy2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: https://www.ncaa.com/history/basketball-men/d1 I think the front of the jersey matters quite a bit. It does in the NBA too. What is this suppose to show? Are you arguing the country isn't balanced? But no, it doesn't. When I watched the NBA it didn't matter. I guess that's changed? Edited March 2, 2023 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between2Halls Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, btownqb said: In a respectful way, it's been that way for awhile now. The country is so balanced. The difference between the 5th best team and the 55th best team is so marginal. The fronts of jerseys matter very little. Yea I get what you’re saying. As a fan, I have been very slow to adjust accordingly. I know it is not true, but sometimes as a fan I feel like I want to win each game more than the team does. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, btownqb said: What is this suppose to show? Are you arguing the country isn't balanced? When I watched the NBA it didn't matter. I guess that's changed? When you look at who is in the Final Four (in college), who is winning the Championships (in both), I think it clearly shows that the jersey does matter. There has always been parity in the mushy middle, but the same teams generally are bringing it home and going the deepest. This year has been a little more equal than most, but those years happen from time to time. There will probably also (hopefully) be a bit of the changing of the guard but Duke, Kansas, North Carolina, Kentucky, Connecticut, and Villanova are all over the championships the past 20 years. Sure there is a Baylor here and there, but still. Edited March 2, 2023 by IUCrazy2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: When you look at who is in the Final Four (in college), who is winning the Championships (in both), I think it clearly shows that the jersey does matter. There has always been parity in the mushy middle, but the same teams generally are bringing it home and going the deepest. Baylor? Nova? Nahhh that jersey hasn't mattered for a long, long time. Edited March 2, 2023 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Baylor? Nova? Nahhh that jersey hasn't mattered for a long, long time. Mmhmm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 I think Michigan at 2nd in the BIGTEN is going to be short lived.... Champagne will be a tough place to play tonight. Michigan could drop pretty far. Correct? Purdue 13-5 .722 24-5 .828 2129-1805 13-2 7-3 4-0 L1 Michigan 11-7 .611 17-12 .586 2129-1993 12-4 3-5 2-3 W3 Indiana 11-8 .579 20-10 .667 2258-2049 14-2 5-7 1-1 L1 Maryland 11-8 .579 20-10 .667 2128-1895 16-1 2-8 2-1 L1 Northwestern 11-8 .579 20-10 .667 2036-1878 13-5 6-4 1-1 L3 Iowa 11-8 .579 19-11 .633 2421-2227 14-2 4-7 1-2 W2 Illinois 10-8 .556 19-10 .655 2151-1901 14-2 3-6 2-2 L1 Michigan State 10-8 .556 18-11 .621 2035-1943 11-2 4-7 3-2 W1 Rutgers 10-8 .556 18-11 .621 1986-1731 14-4 4-6 0-1 W1 Penn State 9-10 .474 18-12 .600 2178-2049 12-4 4-7 2-1 W1 Wisconsin 8-10 .444 16-12 .571 1824-1783 9-5 4-6 3-1 L1 Nebraska 8-11 .421 15-15 .500 2019-2081 11-4 3-8 1-3 L1 Ohio State 5-14 .263 13-17 .433 2188-2066 10-6 1-9 2-2 W2 Minnesota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, btownqb said: Baylor? Nova? Nahhh that jersey hasn't mattered for a long, long time. Here are the winners of Chapionships going back to 1990: Duke 5 times UNC 4 times UConn 4 times Kentucky 3 times Just want to stop here and point out that these 4 teams account for half of the titles won since 1990. Kansas 2 Nova 2 Florida 2 That concludes the multiple winners. 32 titles won since 1990 and 22 have been won by 7 teams. Baylor, Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, Maryland, Michigan St., Arizona, UCLA, Arkansas, and UNLV round out the field with 1 each. I am not going to do the leg work on Final Fours but I would be willing to bet that those teams listed above have an overwhelming presence there too. College basketball has always been about the jersey. That isn't to say you don't get a team that pops up here and there and makes some noise, but the same teams have been showing out for the past 30 years. If you go back from there you will add a few more teams to the list but you see Indiana multiple times. Louisville multiple times. More Kentucky. More North Carolina. More Villanova. More UCLA. There are a ton of schools in D1 so yeah, there has always been a mushy middle, but there is a very clear hierarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: I think Michigan at 2nd in the BIGTEN is going to be short lived.... Champagne will be a tough place to play tonight. Michigan could drop pretty far. Correct? Purdue 13-5 .722 24-5 .828 2129-1805 13-2 7-3 4-0 L1 Michigan 11-7 .611 17-12 .586 2129-1993 12-4 3-5 2-3 W3 Indiana 11-8 .579 20-10 .667 2258-2049 14-2 5-7 1-1 L1 Maryland 11-8 .579 20-10 .667 2128-1895 16-1 2-8 2-1 L1 Northwestern 11-8 .579 20-10 .667 2036-1878 13-5 6-4 1-1 L3 Iowa 11-8 .579 19-11 .633 2421-2227 14-2 4-7 1-2 W2 Illinois 10-8 .556 19-10 .655 2151-1901 14-2 3-6 2-2 L1 Michigan State 10-8 .556 18-11 .621 2035-1943 11-2 4-7 3-2 W1 Rutgers 10-8 .556 18-11 .621 1986-1731 14-4 4-6 0-1 W1 Penn State 9-10 .474 18-12 .600 2178-2049 12-4 4-7 2-1 W1 Wisconsin 8-10 .444 16-12 .571 1824-1783 9-5 4-6 3-1 L1 Nebraska 8-11 .421 15-15 .500 2019-2081 11-4 3-8 1-3 L1 Ohio State 5-14 .263 13-17 .433 2188-2066 10-6 1-9 2-2 W2 Minnesota Hopefully Michigan finishes 11-9.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonsquad Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 This may have been posted elsewhere but this website allows you to play around with different scenarios of games over the next few days to see how BTT seeding would unfold. http://bball.notnothing.net/big10.php?sport=mbb 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, btownqb said: I think we want UM to win, yeah? This part I can't figure out. We want Illinois to win to improve their NET ranking into top 30. Helps us in NCAA seeding. We hold the tiebreaker over both if we beat Michigan on Sunday. But if Illinois wins tonight I believe we fall to 5th seed. If Michigan wins we finish 3rd....again if everything else goes chalk. Is that the people are seeing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUJoe Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Between2Halls said: I may be way off on this, but college basketball seems to be more like the NBA than ever in terms of the swings between games that seem to come out of nowhere. Big wins followed by weird or confusing losses. As a fan I have always hung on each game, but it feels foolish to have that approach any longer. Ups and downs until the end, and then let’s go all in at playoff time. 100% agree with this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: This part I can't figure out. We want Illinois to win to improve their NET ranking into top 30. Helps us in NCAA seeding. We hold the tiebreaker over both if we beat Michigan on Sunday. But if Illinois wins tonight I believe we fall to 5th seed. If Michigan wins we finish 3rd....again if everything else goes chalk. Is that the people are seeing this? I think we want UM to win so they can be in the 8 loss group at the end. ILL plays @PU Sunday. I think they'll have 9+ losses, regardless of tonight. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, btownqb said: I think we want UM to win so they can be in the 8 loss group at the end. ILL plays @PU Sunday. I think they'll have 9+ losses, regardless of tonight. Why wouldn't we want Illinois to be in that 8 loss group in the end? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rico said: Why wouldn't we want Illinois to be in that 8 loss group in the end? Because I don't find it likely they'll beat Purdue on Sun, regardless of what happens tonight. Edited March 2, 2023 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, btownqb said: Because I don't find it likely they'll beat Purdue on Sun, regardless of what happens tonight. What does that matter? So both Illinois and Michigan finish with 9 losses. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Because I don't find it likely they'll beat Purdue on Sun, regardless of what happens tonight. So if that's the case wouldn't we want Illinois to get into top 30 in NET with a win tonight but likely road loss on Sunday? Helps our Quad 1 win total. Seems to me like that Penn St/Maryland game has the most impact. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, rico said: What does that matter? So both Illinois and Michigan finish with 9 losses. Because we want them to be a part of OUR group that ties other schools at the end... we swept ILL and should sweep UM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Seeking6 said: So if that's the case wouldn't we want Illinois to get into top 30 in NET with a win tonight but likely road loss on Sunday? Helps our Quad 1 win total. Seems to me like that Penn St/Maryland game has the most impact. I'm not following the need for a quad 1 win, compared to a bye in the BTT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 We lose all tie breakers to Iowa, NW, Maryland. We can't pass those teams with help from UM or ILL tying with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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