Transfers with IU Interest

[Hoosier82]

1 hour ago, IU247 said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2020901-shabazz-napier-says-he-goes-to-bed-starving-because-he-cant-afford-food

Anyone who’s hung out with a D1 athlete in college knows how much of an absolute lie this is. They get the most expensive/robust meal plan on campus. So big, no “normal” students have the same plan unless their Carmel soccer mom bought it not knowing it’s twice what’s actually needed. Then there’s the weekly stipend they get…and oh ya, they all took gifts/money. If Shabazz Napier went to bed hungry it’s because he was too lazy to go get food. 

[IU247]

16 minutes ago, Hoosier82 said:

Anyone who’s hung out with a D1 athlete in college knows how much of an absolute lie this is. They get the most expensive/robust meal plan on campus. So big, no “normal” students have the same plan unless their Carmel soccer mom bought it not knowing it’s twice what’s actually needed. Then there’s the weekly stipend they get…and oh ya, they all took gifts/money. If Shabazz Napier went to bed hungry it’s because he was too lazy to go get food. 

Multiple studies strongly disagree with you

Food Insecurity in Collegiate Student-Athletes

 

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Eight years ago, Shabazz Napier asked us to bear witness to his struggle against food insecurity. Here was a University of Connecticut college basketball star, leading his team to a Cinderella run on the sport’s biggest stage, surrounded by the trappings of a multibillion-dollar entertainment industry, telling the entire world that he didn’t always have enough to eat.
 

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For many, this came as a surprise. After all, in the aftermath of Napier’s highly-publicized, much-discussed comments, the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) changed its rules to allow Division I schools to provide unlimited meals to athletes.

According to a national survey, however, nearly a quarter of Division I athletes experience food insecurity. And more than one in ten experience homelessness.

The survey, which sampled over 3,500 college athletes in 2019, was conducted by the Hope Center for College, Community, and Justice at Temple University, where I was a research fellow. Including athletes from all three NCAA divisions as well as community colleges, the survey found that:

 

 

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• Twenty-four percent of Division I athletes reported experiencing food insecurity – defined by the U.S. Department of Agriculture as limited or uncertain availability of nutritionally adequate and safe food, or the ability to acquire such food in a socially acceptable manner – in the prior 30 days.
• About half of the athletes described above were assessed at the lowest level of food security, meaning they were cutting the size of their meals, skipping meals, and/or going without food for a day or more because of a lack of money.
• Division II and Division III athletes had similar levels of food insecurity at rates of 26 percent and 21 percent, respectively.
• Athletes at two-year colleges had a 39 percent rate of food insecurity, and nearly a quarter of all athletes at two-year colleges were assessed at the lowest level.
• Nearly 14 percent of Division I athletes reported being homeless – defined as not having a fixed, regular, and adequate place to live – in the prior 12 months.
• Athletes in Division II and Division III reported homelessness rates of 19 percent and 13 percent, respectively, while 20 percent of athletes at two-year colleges reported being homeless.

 

https://globalsportmatters.com/health/2022/03/22/colleges-can-prevent-athlete-food-insecurity/

[HoosierFaithful]

3 hours ago, Initial79 said:

Since we are all just throwing opinions 

- while I can understand wanting it to be how it was, it was never fair for the schools to take in millions, coaches getting millions and for the athlete to just “be happy with your scholarship”  if the coaches were making normal salaries and that money was going back to the school as a way to keep education down for all, maybe. But not when they did what they did and just run up endowments and pay $5 million a year for coaches while also raising education costs through the roof. 

- the ncaa can’t do half the things people suggest or they will lose the last leg they have. The schools know it too. They can’t put a “salary cap, stop transfers, stop the go fund me’s, etc.” as soon as they do, they are right back in court and it will end with the athletes as employees. Then you have unions, laws that protect employee and employee all coming into play, etc. 
 

- this won’t be the end of college sports. The schools would lose way too much money from both the sports themselves, campus life, enrollment and more. 
 

the NCAA (which is just representing the schools so it is them) screwed up their chance to have it different. No going back now. You don’t have to like it but reality. 
 

what everyone needs to do is ask themselves if they believe in capitalism and free markets. If you do, this will be handled by that. If you don’t, well…. Good luck finding a solution because that is ultimately what should bring this into a system that works but will take some time to get there. 

Bingo, someone hang this post up somewhere so we can just repost it in every thread for the next 12 months. 

[bronkonagurski]

How am I supposed to sleep at night without another official commitment? 🤪

[Indykev]

4 hours ago, SawatchHoosier said:

I believe that the NCAA will need to introduce some type of Salary Cap.

Free market, they already lost in court and got this whole mess started.

[Hoosier82]

46 minutes ago, IU247 said:

Multiple studies strongly disagree with you

Food Insecurity in Collegiate Student-Athletes

 

 

https://globalsportmatters.com/health/2022/03/22/colleges-can-prevent-athlete-food-insecurity/

Unsubstantiated polls aren’t studies. The NCAA saying “fine, allow unlimited meals” isn’t a study either. It’s them saying idgaf about meals and we never did, going from 5-6 meals a day allowance to unlimited is literally the same thing. More then 10% of all D1 athletes are homeless??? Defies all logic. ALL of them get room and board and all of them are allowed to live on campus year-round. 
 

My sentiments are in no way defending the NCAA (they can kick rocks) but the idea that FULL room & board creates homelessness and lack of access to food is complete BS. The only student athletes who ever died on this hill in the media in the past were those who were really only complaining about the NCAA hoarding the bag while they weren’t “getting theirs”.
 

It’s a slap in the face to anyone who actually had to put themselves through college, experiencing their inadequate meal plan run out 2 months before school was out that cost 30% more then it should have and will eventually cost +500% what it should once the loans actually get paid off, hoping to pick up extra shifts at crap jobs that take away from the reason you’re there in the first place, donating plasma and borrowing money from friends/family (on top of student loans) just to get to the end of the semester. 

[Indykev]

4 hours ago, Initial79 said:

Since we are all just throwing opinions 

- while I can understand wanting it to be how it was, it was never fair for the schools to take in millions, coaches getting millions and for the athlete to just “be happy with your scholarship”  if the coaches were making normal salaries and that money was going back to the school as a way to keep education down for all, maybe. But not when they did what they did and just run up endowments and pay $5 million a year for coaches while also raising education costs through the roof. 

- the ncaa can’t do half the things people suggest or they will lose the last leg they have. The schools know it too. They can’t put a “salary cap, stop transfers, stop the go fund me’s, etc.” as soon as they do, they are right back in court and it will end with the athletes as employees. Then you have unions, laws that protect employee and employee all coming into play, etc. 
 

- this won’t be the end of college sports. The schools would lose way too much money from both the sports themselves, campus life, enrollment and more. 
 

the NCAA (which is just representing the schools so it is them) screwed up their chance to have it different. No going back now. You don’t have to like it but reality. 
 

what everyone needs to do is ask themselves if they believe in capitalism and free markets. If you do, this will be handled by that. If you don’t, well…. Good luck finding a solution because that is ultimately what should bring this into a system that works but will take some time to get there. 

Great post. In further, why should the schools or the NCAA give a crap about NIL. Its not costing them a penny, they are still making the same billions. All the money is coming from outside. That is why we won't see change.

[IU Scott]

6 hours ago, USIHoosier812 said:

I agree that College Football has went to the gutter. I use to watch every Saturday 11am to 12pm. Now I can barley sit through a game.  The post season has no intrige at all. Most the games are foregone conclusions

 

IMO College Basketball is better than its been since the 90s.Players actually staying in school due to NIL. Teams like IU can reload/rebuild every year due to the portal. It sucks for the mid majors like my second team USI who lost our best returning player to portal but it is what it is. I think overall it's a net positive for Basketball

I still enjoy the games and the season but it is all of the other stuff that is hurting the sport 

[IUCrazy2]

7 hours ago, Initial79 said:

I think some which like it how it was need to understand that system sucked too. Don’t glorify it because it benefited you and what you wanted sports to be.

Also remember, doing those times years ago, it made sense. The schools were not making millions and a scholarship was great. This is the part the DDs of the world can’t get wrapped around. 

I say again, nobody can tell me how it was fair the schools pocketed all this money. It was not some noble thing to get a scholarship when they earned millions for the school and coaches.  They had a chance to fix it, fought it and this is why it is the way it is now. 

now… women's soccer, baseball, softball or something like that, sure, the scholarship is a nice offset.  But even then, the old rules on lunches etc were just not good.

it will work itself out faster than many think. Or it ends up like pro baseball which many still like but lots hate as only a few teams can win. 

I do hate the “go fund me” and think that is just wrong. True NIL is not here due to the schools.  But again, the schools don’t want to truly pay them or they become employees. 

If the schools pocketed the money, that would be something.  99% of them don't.  The money was always plowed right back into athletics.  "You didn't pay me."  No, we paid your schooling, housing, tutor, nutrition specialist, personal trainer, medical bills, practice facilities that only you and a select few had access to, travel, etc., etc.

Those guys want to complain that they weren't getting theirs, they need to go to anyone that wasn't a men's basketball or football player and tell them their sports aren't worth a damn and any money being spent on them should go into their pocket.  

[btownqb]

5 hours ago, bronkonagurski said:

How am I supposed to sleep at night without another official commitment? 🤪

Read the daily complaints about NIL! 

[tdhoosier]

32 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

If the schools pocketed the money, that would be something.  99% of them don't.  The money was always plowed right back into athletics.  "You didn't pay me."  No, we paid your schooling, housing, tutor, nutrition specialist, personal trainer, medical bills, practice facilities that only you and a select few had access to, travel, etc., etc.

Those guys want to complain that they weren't getting theirs, they need to go to anyone that wasn't a men's basketball or football player and tell them their sports aren't worth a damn and any money being spent on them should go into their pocket.  

This all doesn’t matter. The NCAA was capping an athlete’s worth by not allowing them to cash in on their name. If that exceeds everything you listed above they have every right to collect on it. ‘Merica 🇺🇸 

the problem with the whole argument that ‘a scholarship is enough’ is that it’s an opinion. Opinion doesn’t determine value. 

furthermore, the schools aren’t paying athletes. They were essentially a third party restricting an athletes outside earnings because it possibly effects future revenue the NCAA and universities pull in. That, folks, is violating antitrust laws, which is why the courts and legislators got involved.

Edited April 13, 2023 by tdhoosier

[IUFLA]

10 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

This all doesn’t matter. The NCAA was capping an athlete’s worth by not allowing them to cash in on their name. If that exceeds everything you listed above they have every right to collect on it. ‘Merica 🇺🇸 

the problem with the whole argument that ‘a scholarship is enough’ is that it’s an opinion. Opinion doesn’t determine value. 

furthermore, the schools aren’t paying athletes. They were essentially a third party restricting an athletes outside earnings because it possibly effects future revenue the NCAA and universities pull in. That, folks, is violating antitrust laws, which is why the courts and legislators got involved.

You definitely have to compartmentalize the issues of NIL and the school directly paying the athletes...

Separate issues... And for those that don't want the federal government involved in either, you only have to look at the short history of NIL to see how it will play out if the feds don't get involved...

Individual states like California will drive the process, and if other states don't keep pace, it'll be the most uneven playing field you've ever seen... 

Edited April 13, 2023 by IUFLA

[Artesian_86]

Wow! I didn't realize he will be spending so much time in Tennessee.

I found this on BTB..."Ledlum will officially visit Tennessee beginning Thursday evening through Saturday, Andrew Slater of Cerebro reports. Then he’ll visit St. John’s on Sunday."

[BADGERVOL]

6 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said:

Wow! I didn't realize he will be spending so much time in Tennessee.

I found this on BTB..."Ledlum will officially visit Tennessee beginning Thursday evening through Saturday, Andrew Slater of Cerebro reports. Then he’ll visit St. John’s on Sunday."

Are we out of it for him or not officially yet?

[Hoosier987]

1 minute ago, BADGERVOL said:

Are we out of it for him or not officially yet?

No. We’re not out. 

[btownqb]

5 minutes ago, BADGERVOL said:

Are we out of it for him or not officially yet?

I think we have a lead. No clue on an announcement but Tues/Wed of next week seems likely for an announcement. 

[Artesian_86]

9 minutes ago, BADGERVOL said:

Are we out of it for him or not officially yet?

I don't think so.... We are still in the hunt, apparently this kid wants to make sure. It just doesn't sit well with me, him spending two nights and a day on a Tennessee official visit. There is too much time to sell and woo the program. I mean if he knows it's IU, then he will definitely know after this weekend. If I were to guess, I would say we are more out of it with Knetch. JMO

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Artesian_86

[Artesian_86]

...IU coaching staff & fans during Ledlum's OV's this weekend.....lol

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Artesian_86

[Between2Halls]

7 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said:

...IU coaching staff & fans during Ledlum's OV's this weekend.....lol

 

Quick, remind him that nobody looks good in orange. 
 

[BobSaccamanno]

20 hours ago, rico said:

 

I hope we hear that we are getting traction here. This kid is basically an ideal modern player for Woody.  He and Knecht go to the top of my list for now.  

[ledies22]

cool. another thread overrun by the "demise" of college sports by the NIL. its almost like we should have a thread for this.

[Between2Halls]

It seems El Ellis of Louisville is gaining some traction. Few articles about him recently. 

[Muddy River]

1 hour ago, Artesian_86 said:

I don't think so.... We are still in the hunt, apparently this kid wants to make sure. It just doesn't sit well with me, him spending two nights and a day on a Tennessee official visit. There is too much time to sell and woo the program. I mean if he knows it's IU, then he will definitely know after this weekend. If I were to guess, I would say we are more out of it with Knetch. JMO

 

No state income tax on that NIL money in Tennessee……

[btownqb]

5 minutes ago, Between2Halls said:

It seems El Ellis of Louisville is gaining some traction. Few articles about him recently. 

Are they anything more than "introducing" EE though? .. .and does he have two years? 

[btownqb]

3 minutes ago, Muddy River said:

No state income tax on that NIL money in Tennessee……

It's a beautiful state, for many reasons.