IUFLA Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) After 10 games, taking the fan's temp Edited December 18, 2023 by IUFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Yes Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 I went yes with both. But, I think #1 has to happen for #2 to be a reality. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parakeet Jones Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) I voted yes on both but I’m not 100% on either, probably more like 60/40 yes/no. Those numbers may very well go up and down throughout the season. Lose to Nebraska, they go down. Beat OSU they go up. Lots of work to do, but the opportunity is certainly there before us. We need at least 4-5 quality wins in the B1G and no bad losses. Edited December 18, 2023 by Parakeet Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Voted yes on top 5, no on making the tournament. I think we likely end up in the 4-5 range in conference, with a bevy of teams grouped in the middle. And given where we are today and the lack of strength of the Big Ten conference, I don't think that we will get in based on that. But I hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Yes. Yes. * I reserve the right to change my answers in a month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just now, rico said: Yes. Yes. * I reserve the right to change my answers in a month. There will be another poll at the Big 10 halfway mark! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, rico said: Yes. Yes. * I reserve the right to change my answers in a month. I'm going to be like the recruiting 'experts' and reserve the right to change my pick after 67 of the 68 tournament teams have been announced on Selection Sunday. Gotta be right, you know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Voted yes on top 5, no on making the tournament. I think we likely end up in the 4-5 range in conference, with a bevy of teams grouped in the middle. And given where we are today and the lack of strength of the Big Ten conference, I don't think that we will get in based on that. But I hope I'm wrong. I’d be surprised if we finish top 5 and don’t get in, that’d likely be a 21 or 22 win team. The Big Ten isn’t as strong as last year, but it’s still probably the 3rd best conference from top to bottom, with opportunities for good wins. That said, it probably depends a little bit on who we beat. Purdue, OSU, Illinois, and Wisconsin are all going to be good wins home or away. Winning 3 out of 7 against that group would be big. I think the Nebraska games could be important too, they seem like they’ll be competing for a bubble spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kdug said: I’d be surprised if we finish top 5 and don’t get in, that’d likely be a 21 or 22 win team. The Big Ten isn’t as strong as last year, but it’s still probably the 3rd best conference from top to bottom, with opportunities for good wins. That said, it probably depends a little bit on who we beat. Purdue, OSU, Illinois, and Wisconsin are all going to be good wins home or away. Winning 3 out of 7 against that group would be big. I think the Nebraska games could be important too, they seem like they’ll be competing for a bubble spot. Michigan was Top 5 last year and was 18-16. I agree it'll depend on who we beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Robby Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 I think we'll have 2 players make all conference (Ware could dominate the Big10 and be first team) and I could see MR making the 2nd or 3rd team. I think we'll overachieve in conference play, say 13-7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Coach Robby said: I think we'll have 2 players make all conference (Ware could dominate the Big10 and be first team) and I could see MR making the 2nd or 3rd team. I think we'll overachieve in conference play, say 13-7. I hope you're right about Malik, we need him to start playing good again. He's not been particularly good the past 5 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 28 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I hope you're right about Malik, we need him to start playing good again. He's not been particularly good the past 5 games. What's the difference between the first five and the last five? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kdug Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: Michigan was Top 5 last year and was 18-16. I agree it'll depend on who we beat. Michigan was 6-5 in non-con last year. Assuming IU wins these next 3, we’ll be 8-3 in non con. So I guess I should’ve said 20+ wins. Maybe an outside shot of being top 5 at 19 wins and losing the first game of the BTT. Again, I think if we get to top 5 in conference, we’ll have enough good wins to get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 58 minutes ago, ledies22 said: What's the difference between the first five and the last five? First 5: Average ORTG 116, 68% 2FG%, 15:12 ATO Last 5: Average ORTG 98, 52% 2FG%, 14:17 ATO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 minute ago, KoB2011 said: First 5: Average ORTG 116, 68% 2FG%, 15:12 ATO Last 5: Average ORTG 98, 52% 2FG%, 14:17 ATO Consider the opposition in those first 5 as opposed to the last 5... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just now, IUFLA said: Consider the opposition in those first 5 as opposed to the last 5... What's your point? He hasn't been good enough in the past 5 games for us to do what we all want us to do. He is capable of more and I hope he gives it to us. Why is wanting an IU player to play better a contentious point for what is supposedly the "positive" crowd? Why am I all of a sudden labeled "negative" because I actually want us to reach our potential? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just now, KoB2011 said: What's your point? He hasn't been good enough in the past 5 games for us to do what we all want us to do. He is capable of more and I hope he gives it to us. Why is wanting an IU player to play better a contentious point for what is supposedly the "positive" crowd? Why am I all of a sudden labeled "negative" because I actually want us to reach our potential? First 5 games... Florida Gulf Coast Army Wright State UConn Louisville Last 5 Harvard Maryland Michigan Auburn Kansas Better competition is the reason for the slight discrepancy in his numbers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Coach Robby said: I think we'll have 2 players make all conference (Ware could dominate the Big10 and be first team) and I could see MR making the 2nd or 3rd team. I think we'll overachieve in conference play, say 13-7. I'm going to be uneasy with a 13-7 conference record, especially if there are no wins against the top 3-4 on conference. 13-7 means we're an 11 loss at-large team when including the one in the BTT. 11 losses is bubble territory for teams with mediocre metrics behind them. I'll be much more comfortable with a 14-6 conference record. Given that we're already 2-0 with a road win, that seems to be attainable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 32 minutes ago, IUFLA said: First 5 games... Florida Gulf Coast Army Wright State UConn Louisville Last 5 Harvard Maryland Michigan Auburn Kansas Better competition is the reason for the slight discrepancy in his numbers... It's not a slight discrepancy, it's a big fall off. Malik needs to be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 minute ago, KoB2011 said: It's not a slight discrepancy, it's a big fall off. Malik needs to be better. Last 4 games he's faced Julian Reese, Taris Reed, Johni Broome, and Hunter Dickinson...First 5 the only tough matchup was the Clingan kid from UConn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 First 5 Last 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Last 4 games he's faced Julian Reese, Taris Reed, Johni Broome, and Hunter Dickinson...First 5 the only tough matchup was the Clingan kid from UConn I think the point is that, in order for him to warrant all-conference consideration, he needs to put up consistent numbers against all levels of competition. Trayce did it. Edey does it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I think the point is that, in order for him to warrant all-conference consideration, he needs to put up consistent numbers against all levels of competition. Trayce did it. Edey does it. That wasn't the question though...It was "why the dropoff." And the dropoff wasn't all that great Edit: and Trayce and Edey didn't do it when they were sophomores Re Edit: Trayce did, Edey didn't Edited December 18, 2023 by IUFLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, IUFLA said: Last 4 games he's faced Julian Reese, Taris Reed, Johni Broome, and Hunter Dickinson...First 5 the only tough matchup was the Clingan kid from UConn Yes, I get it. But we need him to be better. If we are playing through the post and the guy we are giving 30% of possession to is only shooting 50% from 2 with a negative ATO that's not going to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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