rbkl Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Jordan Sperber created an incredible chart with coaches and their ability to finish in close games. I think the data speaks for itself, but it really does reinforce why we have the right coach leading the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Partially to blame for the francon levels??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 LOL...Dakich was an elite coach in close games...IU should have named him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUaic Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, rbkl said: Jordan Sperber created an incredible chart with coaches and their ability to finish in close games. I think the data speaks for itself, but it really does reinforce why we have the right coach leading the team. Looks like we should have went after Andrew Toole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cohete15 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Mike Davis doesn’t rank too bad. Far right, towards top line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cohete15 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Other notables: Holtman below .500 Rick Majerus- how did he only coach in 50 close games?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUaic Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Fran's gonna be Fran when he sees where he is ranked!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Sperber...hmm...wonder if he's any relation to Murray... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, rbkl said: Jordan Sperber created an incredible chart with coaches and their ability to finish in close games. I think the data speaks for itself, but it really does reinforce why we have the right coach leading the team. This picture is worth a 1000 words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Interesting stuff, but note Mike Davis over Beilein... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cohete15 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Reacher said: This picture is worth a 1000 words. I’m not quite sure what it’s worth. I don’t think it’s much indication of coaching ability. Crean ranks higher than Billy Donovan. Steve Alford ranks higher than Sean Miller and Rick Pitino. Mike Davis higher than Tom Izzo. One thing it is worth, is telling us that Archie has done a good job in close games. But that’s about it. It is nice to see the company that Archie is in though (Brad Stevens, Boeheim, Self, Few) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, cohete15 said: I’m not quite sure what it’s worth. I don’t think it’s much indication of coaching ability. Crean ranks higher than Billy Donovan. Steve Alford ranks higher than Sean Miller and Rick Pitino. Mike Davis higher than Tom Izzo. One thing it is worth, is telling us that Archie has done a good job in close games. But that’s about it. It is nice to see the company that Archie is in though (Brad Stevens, Boeheim, Self, Few) Exactly -- it's a good barometer of CAM's closing close games, but it's not a chart on which to base overall comparison of coaching ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushmage Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Seems like this chart starts to truly calibrate once a coach gets in about 80 games worth, but its encouraging to see Arch high already with the chances that he's had for this stat. I will take a high% winning coach in close games despite not as many opportunities to showcase like Arch than stick with the very consistently average coach like Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 You don't have to go further than the coaches being miked up in their huddles to know that Archie is superior to Crean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Sperber...hmm...wonder if he's any relation to Murray... The very same thought ran through my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: You don't have to go further than the coaches being miked up in their huddles to know that Archie is superior to Crean. Or a post-game press conference. The first time I heard a CTC rambling word salad I feared I may be having a stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, cohete15 said: I’m not quite sure what it’s worth. I don’t think it’s much indication of coaching ability. Crean ranks higher than Billy Donovan. Steve Alford ranks higher than Sean Miller and Rick Pitino. Mike Davis higher than Tom Izzo. One thing it is worth, is telling us that Archie has done a good job in close games. But that’s about it. It is nice to see the company that Archie is in though (Brad Stevens, Boeheim, Self, Few) I think it accurately represents one measure of coaching ability. Would be neat to see one for recruiting. Maybe won loss vs top 50 teams? There will always be aberrations but I think the usefulness is looking at patterns and the bigger picture. Generally, you want coaches at the top and not the bottom. Archie looks to be off to a good start here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Reacher said: I think it accurately represents one measure of coaching ability. Would be neat to see one for recruiting. Maybe won loss vs top 50 teams? There will always be aberrations but I think the usefulness is looking at patterns and the bigger picture. Generally, you want coaches at the top and not the bottom. Archie looks to be off to a good start here. Worth noting as I recall that Crean was very high on won / loss vs. top 50 teams. Can't ever really engage in accurate direct coach-coach comparisons based on one stat or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 If you come to Iowa and stop at the local Applebees you can get yourself a FranWhich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: If you come to Iowa and stop at the local Applebees you can get yourself a FranWhich Is this what you get afterwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbkl Posted December 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Reacher said: This picture is worth a 1000 words. This sly post wins the thread haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Worth noting as I recall that Crean was very high on won / loss vs. top 50 teams. Can't ever really engage in accurate direct coach-coach comparisons based on one stat or another. True and I believe almost all of those were in Assembly Hall. Ultimately what matters is post season success. Everything else is a detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 52 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: True and I believe almost all of those were in Assembly Hall. Ultimately what matters is post season success. Everything else is a detail. I disagree, B1G championships and regular season success matter a great deal, the tourney is often a crap shoot and matchups. We all know Crean didn’t recruit or win consistently enough for IU, but the 2 B1G championships and national coach of the year wasn’t chopped liver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 10 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: True and I believe almost all of those were in Assembly Hall. Ultimately what matters is post season success. Everything else is a detail. So North Carolina should have fired Dean Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 10 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: True and I believe almost all of those were in Assembly Hall. Ultimately what matters is post season success. Everything else is a detail. Let me see if I follow. Crean is a bad coach and Chris Mack and Lavell Jordan are very good coaches? Is that what I am hearing, because both those guys have national championships right? Oh no they dont but they have multiple Final 4's right no not it either. Maybe it's that they have less hair. That's it gotta be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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