btownqb Posted December 22, 2022 Report Share Posted December 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: I understand that. My point remains that he’s not as good as a rookie, as Glenn and Castonzo were at the same point. Neither of them were routinely getting shoved back into the QBs lap. And Raimann aside, this OL is an overpaid mess. And that’s all on Ballard. No Raimann is not as polished as two first rd draft picks. You're right. I think we all knew that going in. He has outplayed plenty of Ts drafted before him though. 😳😳😳😳😳 how is Nelson, Kelly, Smith and Pryor not doing their jobs well enough Ballards fault? 2 All Pro guys and another Pro Bowl ish type player that struggled early on... thats the GMs fault? Crazy. Last few games that crew has been way better. The QB is the issue at this point. Zero, and I mean zero ability to escape anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 58 minutes ago, btownqb said: No Raimann is not as polished as two first rd draft picks. You're right. I think we all knew that going in. He has outplayed plenty of Ts drafted before him though. 😳😳😳😳😳 how is Nelson, Kelly, Smith and Pryor not doing their jobs well enough Ballards fault? 2 All Pro guys and another Pro Bowl ish type player that struggled early on... thats the GMs fault? Crazy. Last few games that crew has been way better. The QB is the issue at this point. Zero, and I mean zero ability to escape anyone. Uh what? He drafted, traded for, and/or handed huge contract extensions to all those guys. Of course it’s his fault the offensive line is massively overpaid. Handing Q a 4 year x $20 million a year contract with multiple recent surgeries was insane. Any GM who thought Pryor was a left tackle should be fired on the spot. That guy shouldn’t even be on the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: Uh what? He drafted, traded for, and/or handed huge contract extensions to all those guys. Of course it’s his fault the offensive line is massively overpaid. Handing Q a 4 year x $20 million a year contract with multiple recent surgeries was insane. Any GM who thought Pryor was a left tackle should be fired on the spot. That guy shouldn’t even be on the roster. Pryor literally played LT last year and was pretty good ... then this year completely flopped. But.. we didn't just sign Pryor, we signed Dennis Kelly, and drafted Raimann. He gave us some options.. it wasn't going to be perfect this year.. he said that, but Matt Ryan has amplified the OL struggles to extraordinary heights. Half of our sacks wouldn't be sacks if Dak or whoever else was our QB. His fault guys aren't performing👍 Q Nelson has been damn good since week 3 or 4... hence his pro bowl nomination. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, btownqb said: Pryor literally played LT last year and was pretty good ... then this year completely flopped. But.. we didn't just sign Pryor, we signed Dennis Kelly, and drafted Raimann. He gave us some options.. it wasn't going to be perfect this year.. he said that, but Matt Ryan has amplified the OL struggles to extraordinary heights. Half of our sacks wouldn't be sacks if Dak or whoever else was our QB. His fault guys aren't performing👍 Q Nelson has been damn good since week 3 or 4... hence his pro bowl nomination. Highest paid O-Line in football, and it’s mediocre at best. No WR1, no stud EDGE, no QB. This disaster of a season is 90% Ballard’s fault. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: Highest paid O-Line in football, and it’s mediocre at best. No WR1, no stud EDGE, no QB. This disaster of a season is 90% Ballard’s fault. Totally agree and more and more people are finally seeing that Ballard isn't as good as they thought he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 If I'm one of the top teams in the AFC, I want no part of the Jaguars in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: If I'm one of the top teams in the AFC, I want no part of the Jaguars in the playoffs. Funny how one year ago with two weeks ago they said the same thing about the Cts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Totally agree and more and more people are finally seeing that Ballard isn't as good as they thought he was. As a GM, you are what your record says you are, especially after 6 years. He’s mediocre. Average. Decent. And maybe that’s good enough for Irsay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 Man, I wonder what it would be like if rando internet guys could take potshots at every employee’s job performance. Every frickin’ move. Every decision. Every day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Man, I wonder what it would be like if rando internet guys could take potshots at every employee’s job performance. Every frickin’ move. Every decision. Every day. Those guys know what the job entails when they take the job. It is professional sports and if you think guys are bad here go to other places. Also the heat around here is nothing to the bigger market cities like Philly and New York. I have even seen OSU questioning Ryan Day and he is 45-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, 5fouls said: If I'm one of the top teams in the AFC, I want no part of the Jaguars in the playoffs. Agreed. Honestly more reason the Colts have to get the future at QB now… Have Lawrence in our division for the next decade, plus whoever the Texans take at 1… And have to go through Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, etc to make a Super Bowl. Thats too much to overcome to win a Super Bowl without an elite QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said: Man, I wonder what it would be like if rando internet guys could take potshots at every employee’s job performance. Every frickin’ move. Every decision. Every day. With not half the knowledge needed or background info to know what actually goes into decisions... 90% of the season is on the GM!?! That's insane to think. But it's just so obvious, right! So obvious. As if they just shit out stud DEs left and right. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 Ballard took a roster with the least amount of talent in the NFL and turned it into one with an immsense amount of pro bowlers and all pros. He can't not fumble for JT. He can't make Wentz not throw a pick in OT vs Titans last season. Like wtf? Pros need to be pros. Roster was fine and certainly better than last seasons that at times looked like the best team in football. We were the betting favorite on every sportsbook to win the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, btownqb said: All 3 position groups on the defensive have been above average or better. So has the special teams, no shock there... and the WR/TE room is quite a bit better/more promising than last season. Agree about the QB stuff. So if the qb is so important to winning and losing as you can have so much right with the team…then you’re saying Ballard has failed at the most important task he is given….I’m just trying to follow your logic. I’m not saying this team does not have its bright spots but I’m also not giving in to it as simple as you make it out to be. I do believe Ballard has made some good picks and built out the team by acquiring talent in the easiest places to identify and acquire…but the most difficult tasks of putting game changing players on the field (explosive receiver, game wrecking pass rushers, shut down corner (Gilmore is very good but he is not a young building block but rather a stop gap win now guy same as Buckner), or most importantly the franchise qb Ballard has not been able to accomplish. He has substituted trading first rd picks and spending large contracts to bring in stop gap veterans to effect winning now at the cost of doing the difficult work of drafting those players that you could build your team around for a decade. Instead we are building around and investing in all the wrong players. In the end we aren’t very good and we still have no franchise corner stone pieces in any of those key positions. I understand we may just see it differently and I respect your opinion but I feel like Ballard has been taking the easy way out… a way that will keep you in a job because you would likely win a lot of games and have a solid team but not one that takes risk and have that high reward…that ultimate payoff. Edited December 23, 2022 by dgambill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 hours ago, dgambill said: So if the qb is so important to winning and losing as you can have so much right with the team…then you’re saying Ballard has failed at the most important task he is given….I’m just trying to follow your logic. I’m not saying this team does not have its bright spots but I’m also not giving in to it as simple as you make it out to be. I do believe Ballard has made some good picks and built out the team by acquiring talent in the easiest places to identify and acquire…but the most difficult tasks of putting game changing players on the field (explosive receiver, game wrecking pass rushers, shut down corner (Gilmore is very good but he is not a young building block but rather a stop gap win now guy same as Buckner), or most importantly the franchise qb Ballard has not been able to accomplish. He has substituted trading first rd picks and spending large contracts to bring in stop gap veterans to effect winning now at the cost of doing the difficult work of drafting those players that you could build your team around for a decade. Instead we are building around and investing in all the wrong players. In the end we aren’t very good and we still have no franchise corner stone pieces in any of those key positions. I understand we may just see it differently and I respect your opinion but I feel like Ballard has been taking the easy way out… a way that will keep you in a job because you would likely win a lot of games and have a solid team but not one that takes risk and have that high reward…that ultimate payoff. The idea we just shouldn't sign Gilmore and Buckner is just so confusing. Buckner is 28 years old... He should be a Colt for life. You don't get 6'7 300lbs DT with his ability... like ever. And some how ESPN has convinced you that DT play doesn't matter? Cmon. So.. Ballard signs a lockdown corner and that now that isn't good enough because we aren't good and its a stop gap? Makes no sense. Can we quit with the elite DE crap? There aren't many at all there, so freaking what we don't have one.. most teams don't... and since we dont have one.. we built one of the best DLs in football using depth and talent across the board. But.. I'm sure DL play somehow doesn't matter now.. We've missed 2 of the best players in football all year long, but of course those aren't at "premier positions" so.. they probably wouldn't have effected the game though. 🙄 Ballards problem is Irsay wanted to "win now" and 3 years ago. Shouldn't have signed Rivers, Shouldn't have traded Wentz. So absurdly dumb to trade him. If it was Ballards idea to trade Wentz for Matt Ryan I will for sure be fine with firing him. I think that was the owners choice, though. None of this since Luck has surprised me. I knew it would be a struggle.. Ballards kept us above water, now he can focus on getting a QB in the next two drafts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 8 hours ago, btownqb said: Ballard took a roster with the least amount of talent in the NFL and turned it into one with an immsense amount of pro bowlers and all pros. He can't not fumble for JT. He can't make Wentz not throw a pick in OT vs Titans last season. Like wtf? Pros need to be pros. Roster was fine and certainly better than last seasons that at times looked like the best team in football. We were the betting favorite on every sportsbook to win the division. The GM is responsible for the roster. The roster is mediocre at best. It’s weak or average at all the most important spots. They’ve switched head coaches, fired the OC, switched QBs twice… a half dozen scapegoats later and the team is no better. The only legit excuse Ballard has is Irsay’s meddling. Which might be the reason he keeps his job… as potential replacements would be wary of working for an owner who is demanding QBs and coaches be replaced/benched during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 8 hours ago, dgambill said: So if the qb is so important to winning and losing as you can have so much right with the team…then you’re saying Ballard has failed at the most important task he is given….I’m just trying to follow your logic. I’m not saying this team does not have its bright spots but I’m also not giving in to it as simple as you make it out to be. I do believe Ballard has made some good picks and built out the team by acquiring talent in the easiest places to identify and acquire…but the most difficult tasks of putting game changing players on the field (explosive receiver, game wrecking pass rushers, shut down corner (Gilmore is very good but he is not a young building block but rather a stop gap win now guy same as Buckner), or most importantly the franchise qb Ballard has not been able to accomplish. He has substituted trading first rd picks and spending large contracts to bring in stop gap veterans to effect winning now at the cost of doing the difficult work of drafting those players that you could build your team around for a decade. Instead we are building around and investing in all the wrong players. In the end we aren’t very good and we still have no franchise corner stone pieces in any of those key positions. I understand we may just see it differently and I respect your opinion but I feel like Ballard has been taking the easy way out… a way that will keep you in a job because you would likely win a lot of games and have a solid team but not one that takes risk and have that high reward…that ultimate payoff. Ballard has admitted himself that once a GM picks a QB high in the first round, that GM is on the clock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, Boiler Sam said: The GM is responsible for the roster. The roster is mediocre at best. It’s weak or average at all the most important spots. They’ve switched head coaches, fired the OC, switched QBs twice… a half dozen scapegoats later and the team is no better. The only legit excuse Ballard has is Irsay’s meddling. Which might be the reason he keeps his job… as potential replacements would be wary of working for an owner who is demanding QBs and coaches be replaced/benched during the season. We've had the lead in the 4Q in 4 of our losses? He put a roster together that was good enough to beat the best team in the AFC and the should have beat the best team.in the NFC. But yeah, mediocre. I'm sure the loss in Minnesota was Ballard's fault as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, btownqb said: We've had the lead in the 4Q in 4 of our losses? He put a roster together that was good enough to beat the best team in the AFC and the should have beat the best team.in the NFC. But yeah, mediocre. I'm sure the loss in Minnesota was Ballard's fault as well. If we’re playing the woulda/coulda/shoulda game, the Colts could just as easily be 0-14. They barely beat the Jags, Broncos, Raiders, and Chiefs, and it took a miracle comeback to tie the worst team in the league. Again- after 6 years, a GM is what his record says he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Boiler Sam said: If we’re playing the woulda/coulda/shoulda game, the Colts could just as easily be 0-14. They barely beat the Jags, Broncos, Raiders, and Chiefs, and it took a miracle comeback to tie the worst team in the league. Again- after 6 years, a GM is what his record says he is. Yeah replacing Luck surely didnt hurt his record at all. Again, he cant win the games for them. The talents been there the last two years. Sans the WR core last year... that Wentz threw 27TDs and 7 INTS with. Edited December 23, 2022 by btownqb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, btownqb said: Yeah replacing Luck surely didnt hurt his record at all. Again, he cant win the games for them. The talents been there the last two years. Every team has talent. Unfortunately for the Colts, the talent ISN’T there at the most important positions. QB, WR1, EDGE, LT, etc… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Boiler Sam said: Every team has talent. Unfortunately for the Colts, the talent ISN’T there at the most important positions. QB, WR1, EDGE, LT, etc… Edge is a myth. You can win with our WRs moving forward... we've found a LT and yeah, we gotta get a QB.. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: Edge is a myth. You can win with our WRs moving forward... we've found a LT and yeah, we gotta get a QB.. I agree. Edge is only a myth if you don’t have one. Sure we have WRs and LTs, they’re OK, but no difference makers… hence the record. I don’t think drafting Will Levis fixes this, but we’ll find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 Ran across this on twitter the other day. Interesting for sure. These are all NFC QB's that would be in playoffs today and what round they were drafted. 1. Jalen Hurts: 2nd round pick 2. Kirk Cousins: 4th round pick 3. Brock Purdy: last pick in the NFL draft 4. Tom Brady: 7th round pick 5. Dak Prescott: 4th round pick 6. Daniel Jones: No. 6 overall 7. Taylor Heinicke: Undrafted 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Boiler Sam said: Edge is only a myth if you don’t have one. Sure we have WRs and LTs, they’re OK, but no difference makers… hence the record. I don’t think drafting Will Levis fixes this, but we’ll find out. The complaining about DE is very nitpicky too. We aren't weak there, at all. Especially depth wise. And the defense as a whole is easily a top 10 unit... WITHOUT DARIUS LEONARD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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