NVFalcons12 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Why not go with Indiana ties, who last played for Bobby Knight in 1994. Bobby Hurley (Indiana Team - Blue Chips) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I know I am in the minority on this topic but to me I still want IU to win but not at any cost. To me it is embarrassing seeing some of the names thrown around who has had checkered past when it comes to breaking the rules. IU fans in the past would not tolerate this line of thinking but I guess a lot of us are getting to old and the younger guys just wants to win at any cost. Who are some of the names that interest you that are *sparkling clean*? And is your list exclusive to this group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVFalcons12 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, NVFalcons12 said: Why not go with Indiana ties, who last played for Bobby Knight in 1994. Bobby Hurley (Indiana Team - Blue Chips) Although he is only 145-100 as a coach and probably near his end as well at Arizona State 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hero said: We tolerated a coach with a checkered history for thirty years because he was also a winner. We may have to agree to disagree. Didn't I say about breaking the rules. Also what RMK did in the past was not politically correct today but back then a lot of coaches used the same tactics. I know when my mom and dad was in school in the 50's and early 60's their principal at assemblies in the gym would bring in students who go into trouble. he then would have those kids come in front of everyone and give them all paddles. That kind thing back then was not seen as wrong but today it is and that is just like coach Knight and his ways of doing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, WokeHoosier said: Has Isaac Brown's name been brought up? As a huge college basketball fan I don't even know who that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, NVFalcons12 said: Why not go with Indiana ties, who last played for Bobby Knight in 1994. Bobby Hurley (Indiana Team - Blue Chips) Go look at his record at ASU and that will tell you why no one would want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 35 minutes ago, Shapopojoe said: Current list ( not swayed by the hot coach in tournament syndrome ) Stevens Beiliein Pitino Sampson Alford not onboard yet with an Oats or Musselman....record is too easily picked apart under scrutiny.....no better hope for progress than Archie IMO The fact that you include Alford on your list, then say no to Oats and Mussel because you can pick apart their record is LAUGHABLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WokeHoosier Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: As a huge college basketball fan I don't even know who that is Wichita State's head coach. I'm not suggesting he be given serious consideration since I don't know much about him but he took over a program in chaos and led them to a strong season so I didn't know if people have taken a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Didn't I say about breaking the rules. Also what RMK did in the past was not politically correct today but back then a lot of coaches used the same tactics. I know when my mom and dad was in school in the 50's and early 60's their principal at assemblies in the gym would bring in students who go into trouble. he then would have those kids come in front of everyone and give them all paddles. That kind thing back then was not seen as wrong but today it is and that is just like coach Knight and his ways of doing things. Surely there are rules against choking your players and berating coaches and faculty members? Wasn’t coach knight fired for breaking the zero-tolerance rules that were put in place? I liked coach knight. He was rough around the edges but he got results. He was/is a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: For those if you that are, inexplicitly, interested in Pitino, you had better not be the same crowd complaining about Belien's age. Yes, John is 68. But, guess what, so is Rick. In fact, Rick is 5 months older. There are some MAJOR differences in these two if we are looking strictly at being successful at IU. RP is still arguably the best coach in the country right now and has proven time and time and time again he can win immediately at any school. JB sounds lost half the time when he is on BTN. JB takes years to put his system in place, so if we assume we have either for 5 years (and it seems very unfair to Rick to assume he and John have the same amount in the tank), that means you're looking at about 2x or more the level of elite play under Pitino than you are JB. If people want to have ethical complaints about Rick because he cheated on his wife, or likes strippers, or doesn't exploit his players while he and his school get rich, then have at it. Not going to argue with anyone that has an issue with RP because of that, but that is the literal only valid reason to prefer JB over RP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, KoB2011 said: There are some MAJOR differences in these two if we are looking strictly at being successful at IU. RP is still arguably the best coach in the country right now and has proven time and time and time again he can win immediately at any school. JB sounds lost half the time when he is on BTN. JB takes years to put his system in place, so if we assume we have either for 5 years (and it seems very unfair to Rick to assume he and John have the same amount in the tank), that means you're looking at about 2x or more the level of elite play under Pitino than you are JB. If people want to have ethical complaints about Rick because he cheated on his wife, or likes strippers, or doesn't exploit his players while he and his school get rich, then have at it. Not going to argue with anyone that has an issue with RP because of that, but that is the literal only valid reason to prefer JB over RP. Counterpoint: JB is simply a good basketball coach and not a good TV personality/analyst. Both can be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: There are some MAJOR differences in these two if we are looking strictly at being successful at IU. RP is still arguably the best coach in the country right now and has proven time and time and time again he can win immediately at any school. JB sounds lost half the time when he is on BTN. JB takes years to put his system in place, so if we assume we have either for 5 years (and it seems very unfair to Rick to assume he and John have the same amount in the tank), that means you're looking at about 2x or more the level of elite play under Pitino than you are JB. If people want to have ethical complaints about Rick because he cheated on his wife, or likes strippers, or doesn't exploit his players while he and his school get rich, then have at it. Not going to argue with anyone that has an issue with RP because of that, but that is the literal only valid reason to prefer JB over RP. Now that you mention it, we should pass on both and hire Brad Stevens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU_Realist Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Shapopojoe said: Current list ( not swayed by the hot coach in tournament syndrome ) Stevens Beiliein Pitino Sampson Alford not onboard yet with an Oats or Musselman....record is too easily picked apart under scrutiny.....no better hope for progress than Archie IMO You can pick apart Musselman and Oats but not Alford who has been fired by two high major programs? The only high major programs he has been hired at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Threedom Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, Dawg Bawls said: He’s going for the second one from the left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Now that you mention it, we should pass on both and hire Brad Stevens. Fouls - i think you've been a little wishy washy? do you think we should go after Brad Stevens or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shapopojoe said: Checkered history of cheating? Sorry....not a great way to join the board... Tolerated a coach with a checkered history of cheating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Shapopojoe said: Checkered history of cheating? Sorry....not a great way to join the board... Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. I never said coach Knight was a cheater. I did say he had a checkered history. He also broke some of the rules set in place for him. as far as joining the board— I’ve lurked for years. I’m happy to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVFalcons12 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: Who are some of the names that interest you that are *sparkling clean*? And is your list exclusive to this group? Clean: Brad Stevens, Mark Few, Billy Donovan, John Belein, Shaka Smart, Jay Wright, Chris Beard, Tony Bennett, Mike White, Scott Drew, Porter Moser, Chris Mack, Nate Oates, Eric Musselman, Andy Enfield,Thad Matta, Bobby Hurley, Dane Fife, Steve Alford, Dana Altman, Rick Barnes, Gregg Marshall, Anthony Grant. Define 'clean'?: Bill Self, Will Wade, Kelvin Sampson, Bruce Pearl, Rick Pitino, John Calipari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, NVFalcons12 said: Clean: Brad Stevens, Mark Few, Billy Donovan, John Belein, Shaka Smart, Jay Wright, Chris Beard, Tony Bennett, Mike White, Scott Drew, Porter Moser, Chris Mack, Nate Oates, Eric Musselman, Andy Enfield,Thad Matta, Bobby Hurley, Dane Fife, Steve Alford, Dana Altman, Rick Barnes, Gregg Marshall, Anthony Grant. Define 'clean'?: Bill Self, Will Wade, Kelvin Sampson, Lon Kruger, Bruce Pearl, Rick Pitino, John Calipari not sure you can definitively declare who is clean and who is not. i think most are grey, but don't get caught. that said, i'm not sure Drew belongs in that top group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, NVFalcons12 said: Clean: Brad Stevens, Mark Few, Billy Donovan, John Belein, Shaka Smart, Jay Wright, Chris Beard, Tony Bennett, Mike White, Scott Drew, Porter Moser, Chris Mack, Nate Oates, Eric Musselman, Andy Enfield,Thad Matta, Bobby Hurley, Dane Fife, Steve Alford, Dana Altman, Rick Barnes, Gregg Marshall, Anthony Grant. Define 'clean'?: Bill Self, Will Wade, Kelvin Sampson, Lon Kruger, Bruce Pearl, Rick Pitino, John Calipari From what I have read that I wouldn't automatically put Donovan on the clean list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVFalcons12 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 I've heard the same on Scott Drew as well, but there is nothing online that I could find that points to crossing the line. I imagine there are stories out there about every coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, NVFalcons12 said: Clean: Brad Stevens, Mark Few, Billy Donovan, John Belein, Shaka Smart, Jay Wright, Chris Beard, Tony Bennett, Mike White, Scott Drew, Porter Moser, Chris Mack, Nate Oates, Eric Musselman, Andy Enfield,Thad Matta, Bobby Hurley, Dane Fife, Steve Alford, Dana Altman, Rick Barnes, Gregg Marshall, Anthony Grant. Define 'clean'?: Bill Self, Will Wade, Kelvin Sampson, Lon Kruger, Bruce Pearl, Rick Pitino, John Calipari What makes you think all of those coaches are clean? Just a few examples: Dana Altman: Literally coaches "Nike U" Scott Drew: His staff threatened to deport Hanner Perea Rick Barnes: How in the world did he recruit Kevin Durant, who is from Maryland, away from every school in between Maryland and Texas? Andy Enfield: Wasn't USC named in some of the federal wiretapping stuff? That's just off the top of my head. I like Billy Donovan, but any concern that he's Rick Pitino's guy and turned a program like Florida into a powerhouse? I think there is a difference between being a cheater and successfully operating in the gray area. I'd say a few on your clean list are the former and many, many of the rest fall into the latter category. Edit: To be clear, I have no problem with the gray area, I think in this day and age if you're not in the gray area then you're probably not winning consistently. I'd like to see IU navigate the gray area much, much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, BGleas said: What makes you think all of those coaches are clean? Just a few examples: Dana Altman: Literally coaches "Nike U" Scott Drew: His staff threatened to deport Hanner Perea Rick Barnes: How in the world did he recruit Kevin Durant, who is from Maryland, away from every school in between Maryland and Texas? Andy Enfield: Wasn't USC names in some of the federal wiretapping stuff? That's just off the top of my head. I like Billy Donovan, but any concern that he's Rick Pitino's guy and turned a program like Florida into a powerhouse? I think there is a difference between being a cheater and successfully operating in the gray area. I'd say a few on your clean list are the former and many, many of the rest fall into the latter category. Could someone give me an example of the gray area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 I found our man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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