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Yeah, this isn't personal. I don't have an issue with Stlboiler23 being here, but like c'mon guy, read the room, lol.

"Purdue doesn't foul" and "Purdue doesn't get called for fouls" are two very different things. I believe you on the latter. But you're not going to convince me the FTR discrepancy from last night at all reflects reality. This conference officiates on a curve based on reputation, a hypothesis any fan base can validate for themselves when their team visits the Kohl Center. Congrats one being one of the lucky ones, I guess. Let's see how that works out for you in the Tournament... again.

Presented without comment. Well okay, one comment: lol, lmao

Never won at Maryland, no Sydney Parrish, no problem so far. Too bad I refused to get Peacock, I love watching Scalia raining threes.

Counterpoint:

I'll add that the officiating was truly pathetic. Not a chance that was a flagrant on Xavier, nor was it goaltending on Ware. But both got called/reviewed because the Iowa bench asked for it. Just like the Wisconsin and Illinois games. Yet the undercut that led to Xavier's injury wasn't reviewed at all. It's clear there's a hierarchy in this conference, and Woodson is getting the short end of that sick.

That was a fun game. The guys earned, even when it got sloppy, they battled through. I know this team isn't perfect. If I can get efforts like this, and even the Illinois game, I'll be a happy fan the rest of the season.

It's me. I'm the problem. I arrived in Bloomington as a freshman for the '01-'02 season, and like any freshman I climaxed too soon. We made it to the Championship game that year, and the program hasn't had any juice ever since.

Yep! All kinds of fun stuff you can do with pizza, which is basically just dough, cheese, a sauce and any number of possible toppings. Makes me think of the pepperoni pinwheels I had at the New Holland Brewpub in Holland MI years ago: Somehow there aren't any great pictures online, certainly not as pretty as yours, but it's basically those same ingredients wrapped up together like a cinnamon roll. Extremely east to make at home, though I remember New Holland's being spectacular. Noble Roman's here in Indy does a pepperoni slider, which is essentially a pizza cupcake. I love the soft chewy dough and the crispy frico. One of my go-to orders:

Obvious troll is obvious.

I don't know the context around this discussion, but Woodson has shown to be picky in his recruiting, almost to a fault. Without knowing more, I'd surmise our top targets like Haralson, Sisley and Mullins are hearing from Woodson, and plenty more in-state guys who *want* to be recruited by Indiana probably aren't. Woodson got a lot of criticism for not efforting enough with Xavier Booker. Given what Booker has shown this season - or not shown - Woodson's disinterest is looking more intentional than lazy.

It's Instacart, so the bigger brands are going to win out, regardless of quality. I do think Frank's is solid as a baseline. I'm usually pairing it with other flavors like in a Buffalo chicken dip, but I like it better than Frank's buffalo. I'd like to find a good Nashville sauce. Saw a new one from Ray's this weekend at the grocery and picked it up. It's close, but a little too sweet? Still working on new applications for it.

With the same results he had at Purdue, Painter gets fired from Indiana before he ever has a chance to lose to North Texas, St Peter's, or FDU. After nine years, Painter had peaked with one great roster - the baby boilers - then fallen way off when those guys had left. By '14, Purdue finished under .500 for the second year in a row, and was dead last in the Big Ten despite having 5 RSCI Top 100 guys on the roster. Anyone seriously considering firing Woodson after this season is howling for Painter's job at that point. We fired Crean for less. In his nine years, Crean started with no players, built the number 1 team in the country, won the Big Ten with two different rosters, and made three Sweet Sixteens; all better than Painter. Yet posters on here still say we held on to him too long. Mike Woodson had us in the tournament two straight years after five misses. Last year's four seed was the highest we'd been since the Cody Zeller teams, and before that you'd have to go back to Calbert Cheaney to find a team seeded better. We placed two guys in the NBA, neither of whom were projected to be drafted at the start of the season. But now we had a bad season, so it's time for Woodson to be fired. This constant hot seat is exhausting. I don't disagree things need to get better. Dolson needs to have that conversation, and if he doesn't like what he hears, I won't protest if he decides a change is needed. But let that process play out. I'm so very tired of turning on coaches the very first time they fail. Since I arrived on campus for Mike Davis' first full season, I can count on one hand the years in which this fan base didn't want their coach fired.

Having now seen the full video leading up to the incident, I'd be more embarrassed as a fan by Wisconsin's bullshit than Gunn's reaction to it. It never ends with that program. A better conference would have cleaned that shit up years ago.

I thought this bit from Zach was spot on: "The line between frustration over a difficult season and surrender of an entire tenure should not be so thin. There has to be a way for IU basketball — as a monolithic entity — to absorb an ugly run of results, even a down season, without it becoming an indictment on the state or direction of the program." This season has been rough. No doubt about it. Some of the pain has been due to long term trends that need to be corrected. I don't disagree. But it's been remarkable to see this fan base so quickly turn against a coach that accomplished tangible, positive things his first two seasons. Bad seasons happen, even to good coaches. Arkansas has been a disaster this year under Eric Mussleman. UCLA has been a disaster under Mick Cronin, after being a 2 seed last season. Wisconsin was 61 in KenPom last season and missed the tournament. We'll see for ourselves tonight how well they rebounded. In his ninth year, Matt Painter finished dead last in the Big Ten. None of these seasons were reason to cut bait on that coach (granted, Mick Cronin does seem to be already out the door for the Louisville job). Yet this board and this fan base increasingly have already decided it's time to move on from Mike Woodson. The doomposting is beyond exhausting. We have to learn to allow for failure and growth in this program.

Woodson took us back to the Tournament for the first time in four tries, then and followed it up with an encore that earned a 4-seed, our best in ten years. Not a chance you fire that guy after one bad season in year three. Good grief. Regardless of how you think it will go, Woodson has earned some runway to get things back on track.

Recruiting is my concern as well. Coaches need to be allowed bad seasons. Matt Painter is the media's darling now, but he had some rough years after the baby boilers class. A decent portion of their own fan base wanted him gone, and it's fairleigh likely he would have been fired from IU after nine years, just as Crean was. Painter learned. A few recruiting misses, misevaluations, and a roster won't come together the way you want. Could very well be that's what happened to Indiana this year. There have been some concerning long term trends in the Woodson era, sure, but I would argue lack of complementary skills and overall team chemistry to be the reasons we aren't having the same success as the past two seasons, and those can be solved through recruiting. But more than the results of any one game, or this season, the recruiting results haven't been what we needed. Jalen Hood-Schifino and Malik Reneau were great gets. Kel'el Ware has been mostly fantastic, and Mgbako is rounding into the player we expected. But three of those four were or are likely to be one year rentals. Where are the pieces around them? Liam is a great get, with seemingly a combination of skills we haven't seen in Bloomington in a long time. He's not going to fix this roster himself. It's possible to write this season off as one where things just didn't come together. Maybe Woodson bet big on Xavier Johnson, missed on some other guys in the '23 prep/portal class, and now has play the roster he has, not the roster he wants. I hope so. But after some bad bets and misses in the '24 prep class, it's starting to become a trend. This gets turned around in the '24 portal window, or it likely doesn't get turned around at all.

Not sure prioritizing exclusively top 15 talent while also being unwilling to pay up is going to be a winning strategy for this staff...

Nah. This team won convincingly at Nebraska and beat Tennessee and Princeton in Fort Myers. They had this game at six at the half, could have been closer without some late tough Iowa shots. They didn't play their best in the first, but clearly ran out of gas in the second, having flown in earlier that day. This team's only losses have been on the road, against two of the top five teams in the sport. Neither loss has been particularly close, and that stings, but the outcome was not unexpected, even for a good team like Indiana. I'm totally with @Hoosier4Life53, we'll take them down in Assembly Hall.

With sustained 15 mph winds, making it feel 20° worse.

Indiana looks like a team that flew in this morning. Shots aren't falling, flat-footed, not the team I've seen the last few weeks. Still feel good about the rematch.

Commitment coming?

I'd really like to see college basketball get rid of the one-and-one. It's too onerous on the offense, and too often ends up benefiting the defense that committed the infraction. I saw two instances tonight where a missed front end led to a quick run out and basket for the other team. Traditionalists will say make your free throws, but to that I say defend without fouling. The bonus should be two shots every time.

Of course on court results matter. But sample size is important too. Proving it over 30 games matters more than 1 or 2. Upsets can happen, but there's a reason we consider them upsets.