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I'm out. This was handled great. Fife was the devil incarnate and Woodson and the IU AD are blameless and perfect. Going to go hop on my unicorn and fly off to eat skittles and count gold at the end of my rainbow.

It was literally bullet point #1 FFS.

He's part of the same culture. Just because he lacks self awareness in his own role does not make the point any less true.

I think you will get your wish. Honestly, I think the 3 that announced yesterday were of the "we are leaving on our own" variety. I don't think we have even gotten to the "tough conversation" crowd yet. Indiana is still reaching out to people in the portal. The staff knows there are going to be more openings. IMO.

Probably last thing I will say on this because some of the replies are getting silly to the point of condescension. 1. If Fife did everything he is being accused of exactly as has been portrayed, it is a bad look on him. I don't think anyone is disputing that. 2. If Fife did all those things, it would lead one to wonder how on earth he has lasted in the business this long, including 10 years at an in conference rival that has been arguably the standard bearer of the BIG since Knight was fired. 3. Given those things, I believe this is not as black and white as most of the people here are portraying. 4. The statement attributed to Woodson and released by Indiana was about as "aggressive" of a "we are parting ways" statement that I have seen. Yeah, he is part of the Indiana Family (no duh, he played for the team and made an NCAA Final game, nobody can take that away from him) but they made sure that everybody knew he was fired. 5. Rabjohns tweet was a hit. It did not have to be released because some fans on a message board were questioning things. That is such a cop out. Rabjohns does not say anything like that without go ahead from IU. It went over like a lead brick and someone called him and told him to delete. That is all strategic though. Just posting something for a minute gets that message out there. 6. You can read some other guys (like Tom Brew) who are also "connected" to the program and they deliver a different picture that is more grey. Woodson being uptight about the Coach in waiting deal. Woodson not utilizing his own assistants. Woodson trying to run things like an NBA team. 7. We all want Woodson to succeed and I was ok with how the season ended but we were 1/2 away from the NIT just 2 weeks ago. We had 15 losses this year. We were like 2-11 against the BIG teams with a pulse. There were stupid roster management decisions all year long from the substitution patterns down to who got minutes. We fell apart late in a whole bunch of games. 8. Dakich was right in the Indiana way. We dispose of people and character assassinate them on the way out. And that comment hit at me too. I have done that to players before. And here we are doing it to another IU guy over what looks like 2 big egos that could not get along. People go out of their way to make sure a guy like Romeo Langford was protected a few years back from comments and now they are on the pile on Fife train. 9. Fife was asked to come here. Sounds like he was told things. He is brutally honest and the honest truth appears to be that there were some things Woodson was doing well and there were some where he was lost. Fife's mistake was believing that he could talk about that kind of stuff in confidence when this whole program from the AD, to the media, to the fans has all got to have their piece and say. So we ran off a "member of the family" who left a 10 year job to move he, his alumni wife, and two small children here (and that happens sometimes) but then we character assassinated him on the way out. IU is toxic. There is a reason we have not been good for 20 years. Coaches have come and gone but the AD culture and program culture remain the same. 10. This absolutely will be a "we should have seen" moment in 3 years IF things don't work out. For all our sake, I hope that is not the case.

Sorry, I had your position messed up. Mea culpa.

You guys need to get together and get your story straight. However, to this statement I would say "Exactly." Scott was talking about proof that this wasn't Fife, I responded that I need proof it was. Mainly making the point that none of us has proof, we have a one sided narrative that was released and verified by "a mouth for the program". That has led some to say Woodson is a better man than Fife. Fife brought this all on himself. Yada, yada. Then you had a few of us saying, hold up, this is pretty one sided. It threw another IU guy under the bus and that did not seem necessary...and that questioning is somehow the reason Fife had to get the long knife treatment. Ok... Dakich can be a dick, but he nailed it this afternoon. This was a hit job. It was done through mouthpieces of the school and there is more to it than "Dane Fife, insubordinate bad guy..." Woodson is in the circle the wagons phase right now, I get it. We want him to do well. This was not handled well. The season basically met my expectations. However, there are concerns with the way some stuff went down this past year. To me, this would play into them. It might be one of the smaller, but still there.

That is not proof.

I had a problem with the statement itself, so yeah.

Show the proof Fife did what Rabjohns said he did.

Going by the same source (and again, internet source so massive grain of salt) it isn't Duncomb's choice.

Again, just passing on info, but rumor from another board is that he (Duncomb) is probably not going to be back either.

I would not be surprised if it is 5 or 6 guys. Pretty close to half. Lander, Durr, and Stewart appear to be gone. I will be surprised if both Race and TJD return. Don't want to get in the name game too much but there are at least 2 more guys who it would not surprise me.

I think it is because of my age at the time they played, but they were really kind of the last great group for me. They covered a good deal of my middle school years and in Northern Indiana there were quite a few arguments around the lunch table about the Fab 5 and that group.... But they were really the last great team you got to follow for 4 years for me. We had our downtime in the mid 90's and by the late 90's I was off to IU myself and you just don't tend to idolize guys you see around campus (the 2002 group). Cheaney, Bailey, the Grahams, Henderson, Anderson, Reynolds, Meeks, Nover, Evans, Leary...(and I am totally forgetting guys) were like MY Indiana team. I was in 2nd grade in 87 so do not remember those guys as much. So the 92/93 teams are where I go to as a measuring stick. Unfortunately these days, players are not around long enough to get that payoff. Cody, Vic, and Yogi for another year or two could have made the noise necessary to go down as an all time great group, you just don't see teams with that kind of talent stick together that long anymore.

All good. Was just posting something I saw. I am not going to get worked up by dudes leaving anymore. Just part of the game these days.

Can't hear you, got a hurricane brewing in my head. Searching for calmer waters.... In honesty though, whatever happens over the summer happens. I don't get too attached to any of the guys, half the team is probably going to turn over this year and it felt like half of it did last year as well.

With Durr leaving, I would like to see us take a shot at the Sparks kid. Still a young guy so he would have time to develop. With Woodson's rotations, we need about 10 guys who can really play.

I'm not worked up so no need to calm down.

Someone on the Rivals board was saying Shaka Smart was in Bloomington. He had recruited Bates at one point...

And from Fife's POV he was right. Having off the books assistants who come in and are not a part if the day to day but get heard more than someone who is there everyday is a slap in the face for people who actually care about their job. "Wittman doesn't want to recruit so he won't be hired...." Yeah, who wants to do the shitty part of being an assistant coach. Driving all over the country to kiss some 16 year olds ass because he can pit an orange ball through a hoop. That has to be the worst part of being an assistant. So you are doing the shhh shoveling work and when it comes time to do the parts that you enjoy, well go sit at the end of the bench man, I got all my old pals that aren't on the books to do the real coaching here. Anybody with half an ounce of respect for themselves would not be cool with that. The masks were stupid as f---. Like the cheerleaders in the NCAA tournament wearing masks when everyone else in the entire building was not. Just stupid. And there was mention that Fife had a disagreement with some of the guys who were playing. We were all over these boards complaining about that this year. Younger guys not getting a go and letting older transfer players keep minutes with minimal production. Frankly, I think Fife was right there too. Finally, for someone that did not care, Woodson went out of his way to make it clear this was a firing in his press release. This is not the end of the world but it is a continuation of a 20+ year shit show almost every offseason because Indiana University is consistently and constantly stepping on their own junk because the people in the administration are incompetent.

Dakich has been tame so far. He went after Woody a little bit as far as losing to Purdue in last game and such...but outside of that, he is kind of hard to disagree with (so far).

He will probably go too far in the other direction. Fife probably has some complaints as well and I bet Dan is going to air that dirty laundry. This didn't bring the family together at all. It was just handled poorly.

Yeah, that is my point up above. Just seems like some people went out of their way to smear the guy. Leaving everything else out, Dane is an Indiana guy, I don't like the narrative that was built around this...at all.

Said my piece and will say no more.

I will go there, if he wore something with BLM, nobody would have gave a shit. Race was somebody who was pretty involved in that stuff a few years ago. Politics are a-okay as long as it is the right (left) politics.