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I don't know if you want it but I won't be surprised if you get it. You have 2 guys that think they are pros now. Several graduating and several who are going into their third year who just heard their coach say, "We need to go get some guys" after their last loss. If I am Gunn and Banks I hear that loud and clear and I am out.

I don't have enough time to truly address this at the moment, but I swear to everything that is good and holy that I hope all the "you fans suck and are the reason we can't win" people would get the support that truly means. If everyone at the school and around the program has bought into the idea that this program is Minnesota and should be treated like it, then that means it should get a bunch more indifference from the fans as opposed to the ungodly amount of support and money it receives in contrast to the wins and entertainment it delivers. Things that let people like Derek Elston have a podcast because lord knows guys like him don't at the type of program he wants Indiana to apparently be.

At least the ladies know how to handle business. The guys should go learn something.

Honestly, I refer back to what I said above. When you lose, I don't think anyone should get to be the MVP. Everybody sucked last night.

Doesn't sound like it to me. He is going to want to prove that this year was a fluke.

I can't lower my donation any lower than it has been for over a decade. I even stopped buying the IU license plate with its paltry $25 donation to the school.

So a 16-15 final record and likely starting over from almost scratch next year. I think we see at least 6 new faces next year which provides for another built in excuse....but hey, about another month and we are on to the only part of the season that matters at Indiana anymore. The delusional season where we convince ourselves that all these new guys are awesome and we are finally gonna turn it around next year, just you see.

7 games left. What do you think we have left in the tank? Over/under 2.5 wins? Northwestern Nebraska @Penn St Wisconsin @Maryland @Minnesota Michigan State I think we get 3 more.

The only way we are getting in the tournament is if we win the Big Ten tournament. We are on the outside looking in at the NIT right now. And frankly, I hope we don't end up in that. It doesn't hold the value it used to from a development standpoint with the portal these days. I expect over half this team to be gone next year. Who cares if they get a few more games together.

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? Honestly, this is wrong thread for me. I don't think the losers deserve to have an MVP pick. You lost. You all sucked collectively.

Coaching and culture...which is part of coaching. People don't like Dakich and he is a dick, but he has had this pegged for a few years now. How much money do you think Xavier Johnson made this year? Ware? Reneau? Outside of Edey I bet you that Indiana probably has the next 5 or 6 guys earning wise between these two teams. The NBA is the desired destination and they still get paid and treated like rock stars. Wins are kind of meh. Nice to have but nothing goes worse for our players if they don't win. They are treated among the best in the country. Pampered, silver spoon players who aren't forced to push. They get really nice participation trophies no matter what. Same with the staff. (I am annoyed this morning if you can't tell)

Podcaster. Leading edge of the the soon to become louder chorus of, "Indiana fans are terrible and just expect too much and hurt the program" chorus we are going to hear again. It won't happen right away but man I would love for people like this to get exactly what they want. NIL and donations dry up, nobody supporting their podcasts, 4000 people at games, nobody talking IU basketball online. 3 years of that and they would be pissed that there is no one there supporting the boys anymore. I stopped giving to Indiana a long time ago. They are poor stewards of the investment. When all these middle aged fans start making that switch, all the people that suck at the teat of IU basketball fan support will have to go and get real jobs. Then they can tell me how bad all that fan investment was.

Right on schedule. I suggest that fans start taking all of this "you are too invested" talk to heart the next time one of those 812-855-xxxx numbers shows up on your caller ID asking for money. "Man, I would really like to but I am told that I care about this too much. I don't spend money on things I don't care about so I am going to have to cut you off so that my not caring can get us some wins. Good luck though. I am pulling for you in as indifferent a way as I can muster."

Our luck, the only thing on the other side of that hump is another deep valley.

He has done that at the end of every blow out he has finished in. He is a garbage time MVP as someone else said.

I know that is a joke but I wouldn't want him to be the next pick either. He doesn't like recruiting and he hasn't been a college coach in over a decade. I doubt he would be the answer either.

They should stop showing up and stop saying anything on line and see how it goes. Drop that monetary support and that huge online presence down towards the bottom of the Big Ten (where the team actually performs) and then they will have all the breathing room to go out and do better without those insufferable fans holding the program back. Tongue firmly in cheek if that wasn't apparent. The only thing "elite" about Indiana anymore is the fan support. Our sh** administration should all be hung out to dry. People going after the coach anymore are misplacing their anger. Dolson hired him. Buckner likely pushed him to the front of the line. You want change at IU, start going after the good old boy network that runs the school.

Woodson gave up last night. It got bad and he went and sat his @$$ on the bench and just waited for it to be over. It is an NBA attitude. "Welp, we just don't have it tonight. Just got to get through it and do better in the next one." It is part of why I don't like the NBA. You got 80+ games and inevitably you have teams that know they don't have "it" and the whole organization acts like it. That was Indiana last night. I would have left Woodson in West Lafayette last night if I were Dolson but that won't happen. So we are stuck with Woodson for next year, you better believe that the conversation on what this is not going to look like going forward would start bright and early this morning. Hill would be off the payroll next year. One half asleep guy on the bench is more than enough. I am already paying for one washed up dude's retirement, I am not doing it for 2 anymore. There are a few sucker fans out there who are likely going to have Dolson at their door at this time next year begging for another couple million to once again right the University's mistakes. I hope they are smart enough to put some conditions on that money this next time.

Our best players don't have state of Indiana ties and they all have a license to bail for better waters whenever they want. We have 1 guy committed at the moment. Even our best case scenario is a total roster overhaul. And then you know what happens, "Well, we have so many new faces and it is going to take awhile to get them all on the same page. Woody's defense is really hard to learn." I guarantee you will be seeing that kind of stuff after the first bad loss in November or December.

I hope Mike does us all a solid and decides he is ready to retire. Getting punked like that by a rival is beyond old.

Bleeping disgusting. Fire everyone.

Woodson needs to get a T. Been waiting 3 years, protect your team.

I know the season isn't over but the clock is ticking. Someone posted earlier this week that we are currently on the outside looking in of the NIT conversation. Time is running out. I think our NCAA hopes are dead if we don't win tonight. We still have tonight though so it isn't out of the question. We all knew we need guard play. That isn't just shooting. It is handling and dribbling penetration as well. Yeah, he was grade A stupid putting the hands of the program solely at the feet of Xavier Johnson. You can go back this summer and find all sorts of hot takes from all sorts of people saying we needed to get more guard depth. He left a scholarship on the table and brought in a bunch of forwards. Those are the types of decisions that get guys fired at just about every level. It was a dumb move. He is going to get another year because of the Indiana ties but the seat is going to be on fire if this year ends on the current trajectory and the first few games next year look anything like the past 3. I hope he figures it out because I am beyond tired of hot takes like, "Purdue is the old Indiana you used to like" and "Indiana is like the 4th best team in the state." The way this program has been run into the ground the past 24 years should be a cautionary tale on how to destroy your brand. One more decade of mediocrity and the program is starting all over from square one. We are about there now.

Fair enough. He also has led us to a NET and Kenpom rating lower than his most recent predecessors except the guy who took over when the University gave itself the death penalty. Also facts. It hasn't gone well this year. It hasn't gone well because Woody failed to address the things that every idiot IU fan on message boards and Twitter recognized as their glaring issues since Woodson got here. And now we are in the middle of what appears to be a stinker of a season because the only people who apparently couldn't see the problem are the experienced NBA coach and his staff making combined millions of dollars. He will get another year but it really sucks to have to have a 65 year old "figure out" what a bunch of moron fans have known for 3 years.

Seems to be one at North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas. It could and should be here too.