HoosierDom

Brunk didn't even count against the scholarship limit, so I can't imagine he was forced out.

Has any IU player in the past 10 years ever made a step back jumper? They seem to like shooting them, though.

What did Morgan say?

We somehow dropped this week.

I feel slightly bad about it, but I smile each time Franklin has a bad game. I'm rooting for Al and Hunter, don't care one way or the other about Brunk.

No doubt. I think the bottom half of the conference is considerably worse than 2/3 years ago when we were so deep. The top of the conference is still quite good, though. I think Michigan probably brought in enough to replace their losses. Wisconsin and Illinois did not.

A rule that applies differently based on whether you are "approximately" 3 feet outside the lane - what could possibly go wrong? The foul on the Nevada kid was really remarkable. Both players, including the one who was just fouled, looked at the ref with absolutely no idea why a whistle was just blown. And that's what they pick to exemplify things being done properly. If someone who has spent his entire life playing organized basketball just got fouled without knowing it, you need to rethink that rule.

Can someone remind me how Big Ten + works. If you subscribe, you can see every IU game, regardless of where it was originally aired, but only the day after - is that right?

Fair enough.

I don't know a whole lot about these guys, but do they really have the level of success that people could be jealous of?

I figured you would come out of the woodwork for this conversation. If you look back at the results from last year - obviously the tournament, but there were signs before that - I think the conference as a whole was overrated. So, your success from last year isn't quite as impressive as some make it out to be, and therefore returning the guys from that team isn't as big of a deal as some make it out to be. I'm not suggesting you have a bad team, but I would drop them down 10 spots in the polls.

I didn't grow up an IU fan, so I don't have the ingrained Purdue hatred that a lot of people here have, but I still think they're overrated. I will be surprised if they compete for the BIG title. I think OSU and Michigan will be at the top. By tournament time MSU and IU will be right there with them, but both of us will lose a few winnable games early in the conference, so we won't have a shot at the regular season crown. I agree with you on Illinois - I'd say they're a bubble team. They'll make it, but not by that much. Northwestern is more of a true bubble team and might not make it.

I have no information, other than what I read here, but this is the only thing that makes any sense. Even if half of our team had broken legs, why not let the other half and a bunch of walkons play? The only thing that makes any sense is that we didn't want to risk exposing the other team.

I came into the year with low expectations for the football team, but we do need to acknowledge that every team we've lost to has spent significant time in the top 10. We have a killer schedule, too soon to get down on Allen.

I'm sure they are going to tell people that he drives their car, and they'll have to use his name to do that. This is exactly what should be happening. I hope we have car dealerships that want to do the same.

It's entirely possible that the dealership makes out in this deal, but that's not why they are doing it. They are trying to help the team by giving cool stuff to players. I'm sure there are tax implications, if nothing else, he is taking in the equivalent of a free lease. But, I'm sure the dealership, or some other booster, can just cover that.

I don't see us going 11 deep. Seems to me that if Leal wants playing time, he is going to either have to take it from Kopp or Stewart. If Galloway wants it, he is going to have to shoot.

I won't pretend to know how many years a guy like Race wants to stay in college, but IU brings in a lot more money than some 2nd tier European league, so I would guess the NIL will cause IU players to make more than those guys. It's one thing to leave a year of eligibility on the table to go start making money (basketball or otherwise), but to do so and take a pay cut makes a lot less sense. But, that is contingent on IU boosters being proactive in a way that I have no evidence of them doing. I would love to be wrong, but Kopp seems a long way from declaring for the draft.

Where does the talk of Kopp and Race leaving after this year come from? They're starters that have virtually no chance of playing in the league. They can probably go to Europe if they choose, but I doubt they would make the high paying leagues. It very much seems like they will be with us for 2 more years.

You think all of those guys are leaving after this year? Other than TJD, I don't see any going pro, so seems they would only leave if things weren't working for them here.

Sure, and if he becomes a 6'9" Steph Curry, he will be the top pick overall. But, realistically, he hasn't shown the ability to be an outside shooter, and it would be pretty unusual to all of a sudden develop that in one off season. Hopefully IU boosters get their act together and the kid brings in a couple hundred thousand dollars this year and he faces the real possibility that being a second round pick is a pay cut. To me, that would be a bigger recruiting boost than getting a guy or two to the league. Any kid outside of the top 10 should realize that getting to the league is far from certain, but if you can make some serious money either way, that should be appealing to the 20-50 ranked kids and those are the kids I want anyway.

The second biggest football school in a state with 4 million people. I don't see conferences fighting over them.

It's not just bad luck that causes schools to keep leaving the Big 12. Those remaining teams are not appealing conference mates and no one is going to want them.

In the second half of the first game, he did a great job creating space for himself. If he can do that, he will be a deadly player. If he's just a catch and shoot guy, I will be happy enough (we sure could have used one of those the last couple of years), but I was impressed with his ability to get his own shot. I didn't see any evidence that he can get to the rim, but he made space.

Yes, I mean the second thing. UM and OSU have everything they could ever ask for here: they don't want to move. If Michigan wanted to have a killer schedule, they could easily schedule 4 powerhouse non-conference games. But, that isn't what they, or anyone else, is looking for. I think that's a big part of what a lot of the conversation in this thread is missing. Top schools don't want a loaded schedule. The unmistakable proof of that is that no school goes out and loads up their non-conference schedule. They still sell our their 100k stadiums when they play Northern Michigan, so they want the wins and good times that come along with that. They need some big games, but the BIG provides enough of those. If it ever stops doing that, you go get those games in the non-conference. To me, that SI article is akin to saying Chipotle is trying to hire Nick Saban because he saw a help wanted sign when he went to get his burrito. I'm sure they would love him, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from his point of view. As I've said before, I think the only thing the SEC could offer that would truly entice UM and OSU is if they are making a move to abandon the NCAA and run their own thing as they see fit, but with the NIL, I think that is far less likely. The only things I have seen about this conference huddling up are vague terms of cooperation that make it seem like they're not even talking about doing anything of substance, so what they end up agreeing to will likely be close to nothing. But, the articles I've seen are so unclear that it's hard to read the situation precisely.