HoosierDom

This board can be overrun by tangents - most of which are thoroughly uninteresting to me - so I have a hard time complaining about people talking about basketball. I know of 3 outside fans that come here often and they're never childish about it, so this fan of IU and fan of basketball welcomes them.

If he didn't learn his lesson from being out NIL'ed he could have.

You could be right. But, it's clear he lost out on the kid he actually wanted (and probably thought he had wrapped up), so now he might be desperate. He wasn't left with many options after that kid picked Miami.

Never heard of the kid before this thread, but strikes me as odd that his points per minute were so high, yet they still didn't put him on the court for even 20 minutes a game - and that's on a bad team. I would assume that means he can't play defense.

I can't say I follow them closely enough to have a strong opinion, but until proven otherwise, I think Underwood is a garbage coach. I always think of our Romeo/Morgan year. The BIG had figured us out: pack the lane and watch us lose. The fact that it took coaches so long to piece that together speaks to how bad college coaches are at strategy and in-game coaching, but that's a topic for another day. Despite that clear game plan for beating us, Underwood pressured us all day and we picked them apart. I guess if I was an Illinois fan I would say that their season was lost, so they might as well practice playing the way they want to play, but to not make adjustments to get your struggling team a win, strikes me as the move of a bad coach. Obviously, their tournament results have only strengthened my take.

Didn't his comments a year ago pretty strongly suggest last year was it for him? I think any comments he has made are made in the hope that he will improve his draft status. If he doesn't he is left deciding between being a hero making half a million at IU and being a no name player on a no name team making 40k in the G-League. If that's what he faces, I don't see how he leaves.

If he had an NBA contract, then going to G-League wouldn't be a pay cut. My position is he won't leave for a pay cut. He didn't this year and he won't next year. So, unless his draft stock improves, he stays.

I don't buy it. No one would leave a year of eligibility on the table and go to the G-League for a pay cut. If he's told the same thing next year, I don't see why his criteria for leaving would be any different next year than it was this year.

Generally I agree with you, but we all know what X did, or at least the rough outline of what he did, so I heard TJD's statements as supportive. Specifics about Chicago would be a bit more out of line, but this was already out there. His statements were probably more off the cuff than this, but another interpretation would be, "I'm pissed at X and I have no problem calling him out a bit in public."

I disagree, but that's not my actual point. My real point is that refs wouldn't let kids be that physical 30 years ago. It's a lot harder to hit a 12 footer when you're bumped hard on your way to your spot.

I love a good mid-range jumper, but if you're looking at points scored in the past and comparing that to now, you have to account for the changed officiating. The kind of physical defense kids play today wasn't allowed back then. I would also argue overall defense is just better now, but I concede that is up for interpretation.

I guess I don't know how it works now. How much money are they sharing with them?

Where is this talk of the power conferences breaking from the NCAA coming from? My understanding of the issue was that there was talk of this a few years ago because they wanted to be able to pay players and be free from the murky area created by NCAA rules and lack of enforcement that made it very hard not to cheat. Now that is less of a concern, so seems the the impetus to break away is gone. Why is this coming up now?

I believe you're correct, but I think the point was no one on our team is in it, so there's no room for Dennis and not much time to make room.

What if those top 50 players all went to the MAC (I think that still exists, right?)? Don't think the fans would care if their Blue Devils consistently get stomped by Buffalo?

Right, that's why I put "cut" in quotes. To emphasize it needs to be in proportion to the amount being raised overall. In the old system, it was not. Again, you seem to be ignoring what I said. I made reference to "rotation players" being valuable. But, more importantly, no one is saying everyone has to be paid: merely that anyone can be paid if someone else thinks he is worthwhile to pay. Schools don't have to pay, neither do boosters or businesses, but all three groups have long wanted to be able to. Players want to be paid. The old rules said that two parties cannot do what they both want even though one party, and plenty of outside parties, are making boat-loads of money. That's just wrong. If you make a lot of money off someone else, you pay them.

Winning is what brings in the big money.

That's not a "cut" - basketball and football bring in millions of dollars, benefits worth 30k do not count as a cut. I'm not sure which kids you are talking about when you say they "weren't the reason" for schools making money. If you mean volleyball players, then of course you're right. If you mean any other rotation player in basketball and football, then they contribute to the team winning and that's where the money comes from. You seem to be pointing to the idea that, under the old system, kids chose to come play anyway. But, you are ignoring the fact that, under the new system, people (whoever they may be) choose to pay. A system that pays the people who do the work with money that was always there seems way better than one that says they can't receive money even though people want to pay them.

You're answering your own question. That's how they were supposed to stop it. That said, I don't see any reason not to like the way things are. We will see what happens in the future, but I've got no problem with the fact that the guys who go out and win games get a chunk of the money.

So far NIL has been in place for about a year and during that time we have picked up 3 5-star recruits, we've got next year's number 2 coming to campus, and my guess is we hang on to our all-American big man. Too soon to say for sure, but it seems like it might help us.

I don't agree. There are small money deals out there that are actually business decisions, but the real money here is just boosters supporting their teams. Just as donations to an athletic program have never been about return on investment, so to NIL deals are not about making money. Donors want their teams to win, they want to feel like they're a real part of that winning and they want to be treated like big-shots.

It would be very easy to set these up as separate monthly contracts that dry up if the player leaves. At the end of the day, this isn't going to be a big deal. There are plenty of coaches that don't usually use their 13 scholarships, I don't see much value in going beyond 13 on a regular basis. There might be the occasional guy that it makes sense for, but there aren't 14 balls on the court, so this won't get used much. I could see it being a bigger deal in football, though.

Yeah, because if it's known for anything, the NCAA is known for quick and effective rule making.

This guy and Hood-Schifino seem to lack the elite athleticism that would quickly get them to the league, so they are either going to be very good 3-4 year players, or, if they do make it to the league sooner than that, it will because they are great college players, not merely good players with potential. TJD probably fits in that category as well, and it's exactly the kind of guy we should be after.

I'm trying to get on board with this (and I have never been terribly down on Kopp, I think he had an okay year and is a good guy to have for 15 minutes a game off the bench), but, looking at the game logs, I'm having a hard time seeing when the bulb went on. He didn't score at all in the tournament, missed a lot of shots against Iowa, was not existent against Illinois. Was solid against Michigan and Purdue, but I'm not seeing anything to suggest next year will be better than this year.