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18 minutes ago, Hoosierinbham said:

And they beat LSU, one of the top SEC schools. They should be in without a doubt. SEC was just down this year; it happens.

Michigan, Washington,  FSU, Texas.

Pretty simple.

The talking heads really really want an SEC team, some even want two, but the argument is really weak.

If FSU wins, I don't see how it's not Michigan, Washington, FSU, Texas. Ohio has an argument, but a non-conference champion isn't going to win those arguments.

C'mon, FSU, UofM, UGA and UW were all win and you're in. No way one of them gets denied if they win. The controversy starts when Georgia loses this game by less than the points the refs stole from them. Then when FSU loses tonight, it becomes more interesting still.

My guess at 6:11pm EST is, in order, Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama. I don't know that I would vote that, but that's my guess.

3 hours ago, JJack said:

Unfortunately, with the current roster there isn't any other way to view it from his standpoint.  Why is the roster built this way is the question. 

I think this idea is overblown. We have guys that should be able to hit 3's - just too many of them haven't been doing so.

MM is (was?) a projected lottery pick and his defining skill as a recruit was his shooting.

Cupps was a 44% shooter from 3 his junior year (my 30 seconds of searching couldn't find his senior year numbers) and is famous for competing with LeBron from there.

X shot 38% and 37% his two years with us.

Ware is certainly vastly better from range than most guys his size, and has hit them pretty successfully for us.

Galloway shot 40% last year.

That's 5 rotation players that should be more than competent shooters (not including Banks who has actually been a competent shooter in reality his whole time here). If Galloway and MM were hitting 40%, we would rank 97th in the country in percentage.

Our roster is built for Galloway and X to be mid-volume, high percentage shooters and MM to be a guy shooting himself into the lottery. If those things were happening, we wouldn't be talking about this.

28 minutes ago, btownqb said:

It wasn't on a dead sprint though... XJ threw it when CJ was on a dead sprint, then CJ slowed down for no reason at all. 

13:35... CJ goes and gets alligator arms and slows down... only reason it looked like he over threw him. 

14:28 How the hell is that a shooting foul? I'm not sure it's a foul at all, but there could be some contact as he goes across the lane, but that was border line on the floor in the NBA.

28 minutes ago, Purdue7 said:

Was it me or was Louisville big pass blocking on high pick n roll 

 

 

There were moving screens all day long. UConn had a lot of them, too.

10 minutes ago, 3Ballin said:

It hit him in the middle fingers, completely outstretched and on a dead sprint. Even if he coulda caught it clean he wasnt in a position to do anything with it. 

No it did not. I just watched it again, it was a slow lob that Gunn jogged under, misjudged and then bobbled. 

You're now allowed to lean in the land and wave your arms when a guy is shooting free throws? Does him slipping make it legal?

9 minutes ago, John S said:

Tired of X slamming the refs.  He left his feet twice trying to defend that shot. That’s embarrassing.   

And fouled him earlier, but did not foul him on the shot.

8 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

How was that a charge

He needs to give that ball up. No need for him to be leading a 4 on 2 break. 

15 minutes ago, Hoosierinbham said:

Gunn looks athletic and his shot looks solid. Hope he gets a couple 3s to fall soon. Just stop shooting the 18 footers; most inefficient shot in basketball. 

No. His shot does not look solid. He always misses. Always. He has been playing really well in every other way, but he needs to get it out of his head that he is a shooter. He should be done shooting until at least 2024.

7 minutes ago, rogue3542 said:

Kind of where I am.  Sure, XJ had a bad game, but how much of it is because he was getting elbowed in the throat every other play, and then getting ghost foul calls on him at the other end?  You can say he needs to rise above it, and you'd be right, but at this point, we know who he is; emotion is a big part of his game.

And Reneau should not have fouled out at all.  2-3 of the fouls on him were such terrible, terrible calls.

If just those two things aren't perpetrated by the refs, I think this is a single digit loss, and everyone's tune is much different.

The only things that I found really disappointing today are:

- Rebounding

- Mgbako- just not even any effort at all, terrible shots, completely lost on defense.  If you took away his recruiting ranking, everyone would be wondering why he played AT ALL

- The lack of fight after Reneau fouled out - we folded like a cheap suit

I don't need to bother writing. This is the sum up. Nothing more to say until we beat Louisville tomorrow.

I think we're going to get enough points to win against a good team, but are we going to contest enough 3's to stay close? I don't see any reason to think that we will. The best we can hope for is that we stop some of the egregious over helps (like when MM was guarding the next man over and gave a weak double that put no pressure on the ball handler, or when someone, MM again?, doubled Ware's man in the post rather than let a 7 foot shot blocker take care of a 6'6" guy by himself). But the over helping as a whole is by design. It seems clear that Woody is willing to trade an open 3 for stopping the ball inside. The best we can hope for is a solid close out, and hat seems optimistic - at least for now.

10 hours ago, FKIM01 said:

Minus CJ, I think you make a really interesting point here.

I have a really hard time seeing any argument that includes more time for CJ. If Gunn can't start hitting shots, and he's shown no reason to make us think he can, at some point in the near future Leal needs to start taking his minutes. I say that accepting that Woodson doesn't think Leal is a power 5 player.

2 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said:

I have no expectations for this team this year. Especially after losing 4/5 of our starters from last years team.

I think as fans, we forget sometimes.....

We're going to lose 3 starters from this year's team - no expectations next year either?

Things like that don't hold anymore. We brought in 2 1st round picks (I guess?) and 2 guys with a lot of college games under their belt (really 3 guys if you consider that we didn't have X for the important part of last year), we should have expectations. Not to say there isn't a learning curve, so it's okay to struggle early.

7 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

You know, it probably stings Dakitch more that Woody doesn’t engage. If he wants to get under Dan’s skin, just act like he doesn’t exist. 

Rather than report and analyze sports, Dan really tries to make himself the story. It’s actually pretty sad that he’s so desperate for some sort of relevance. 

I hope he gets some help…..maybe toughen up that fragile ego. I think he needs some more hugs in his life. Thoughts and prayers for Danny. 

Do you think Woodson is even aware of the things Dakich says? I would guess I spend more time reading about IU basketball than coach does, and I only know about these things because of this board. Even then, I only know when people properly imbed the tweets, which is 50/50 at best.

14 minutes ago, DJcandypants said:

Hope Queen is watching this underwhelming performance by the Terps.

If he's missing this one, it looks like he will have plenty of chances to see them play underwhelming basketball.

7 minutes ago, BGleas said:

That's why I'd love to see some group if IT, Buckner, some of the guys from the 90's, etc., just come out and crush him. 

It's getting ridiculous, especially when Dakich tries to give the impression that he speaks for the "old school" players. 

Isiah in particular doesn't strike me as a guy who would pull any punches. I don't know how often he does interviews, but if he was asked about Dakich, I would strongly suspect he would rip into him. Maybe the Hysterics can find a way to ask him about it.

10 minutes ago, 94hoosier said:

This is spot on. Reneau has a soft touch. if he continues to develop the 3pt shot he definitely become a prospect. Probably not a first round but a second round. He fits the modern NBA game. Needs to continue to work on exploding of the floor

 

 

I don't know. He isn't tall enough to play a stretch 4. He isn't athletic enough to be a 3. If he's going to make the NBA, he needs to be really good at basketball on both ends of the floor. I actually thought his on ball defense was good that first game, so maybe he will be really good, but he has a long way to go. He doesn't have the high ceiling that will get him drafted if he's only pretty good at basketball.

20 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Not really. If Reneau averages double figures this year and close to 7 pr 8 boards (yes, I know he only had 1 on Sunday) he could absolutely go pro. 

Pro doesn't just mean the NBA. He may want to get started on his career. Make 6 figures in Europe or begin getting serious NBA evaluation in the G League. 

I don't know what his goals are, but less talented players have turned pro. 

Seems like that would be him taking a pay cut. Especially if he averages 12 and 8, seems like he would get a raise if he stays.

Regardless, if I'm Queen, I don't think I care one way lor the other what Reneau does. I do care what Ware does. In theory, Sparks could impact things, but the little bit we've seen thus far doesn't suggest he is going to beat out a 5 star for minutes.

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

This makes sense to me in terms of Queen evaluating Indiana. Not sure on the other schools. 

But if I'm Queen and I'm considering IU, I want to know who out of Ware, Reneau and Sparks is leaving or coming back next year. 

Really that's just saying Ware. I can't imagine Reneau or Sparks going pro. Seems like Queen would play well beside Reneau and I would assume Queen thinks he can beat Sparks for minutes (and he's probably right).

On 11/9/2023 at 1:37 PM, DC2345 said:

He would be able to play alongside Ware easier than he could Reese at Maryland so I highly doubt that is part of the thought process. 

You don't think existing players and available playing time are part of the though process? Seems like you have identified a great reason why he hasn't already signed with MD. Would stand to reason then that he would be looking for a better fit. We may or may not be that.

Seems plausible that he wouldn't want to play alongside Ware, so he wants to see if Ware looks NBA bound. Also might like some reassurance that Woodson can develop bigs who can't jump through the roof.

TJD is getting some extended time right now. Looks pretty good. Got abused by Jokic in the post, but has been mostly solid.

Just got the chance to sit down and finish watching the game. The only thing I have to add is that it really looked like our defensive lapses didn't come from over helping like they did in the exhibitions, it's just that our bigs, outside of Ware, didn't know how/when to switch. We were almost in a match-up zone, but guys just didn't know what they were doing. Walker was probably the worst, but Reneau had his moments, as did MM.

I thought they all, Reneau in particular, played D quite well when they were where they were supposed to be. Reneau had one dumb foul when he tried to pressure his guy on the perimeter and got whistled on a bad call when he did a great job forcing his guy into a backcourt violation. 

I don't see MM getting his points around the rim. He just doesn't have the athleticism to finish those drives when the D is there. He's a jump shooter.